Is it possible that these sprites (lightning at high altitude) are another misleading source of UFO reports
Over 90% of UFO sighting reports are easily explainable, and are simply misinterpretations of sightings of meteors, weather balloons, flocks of birds, airships or even the moon. Now another factor is added to the list of bodies that are mistakenly identified as UFOs - sprites. The same natural phenomenon that occurs during lightning storms.
"Leprechauns appear above almost every thunderstorm," explains Professor Colin Price, head of the Department of Geophysics at Tel Aviv University, in a conversation with the Hidan site, "but we didn't see them until recently." They are high in the sky and last only fractions of a second."
"Leprechauns are described as flashes of light at a high altitude of between 50 and 100 kilometers above the ground, much higher than the normal lightning storms that occur at an altitude of 10-20 kilometers. There is a gap between the appearance of these elves and the storm, so they appear as if they are not physically or optically connected to the storm. Since they are high above the ground, we photograph them from our building at Tel Aviv University by pointing the cameras towards the horizon. And even if the storms are in the Cyprus area or in the heart of the Mediterranean Sea, below the horizon from our point of view, the atmosphere above the storm, including the elves, is in our line of sight. Thus an absurd situation was created whereby we can see the elves even if there are no storms hundreds of kilometers away from Israel, and in the country there is a clear night full of stars. Therefore, it is misleading to think that this is a strange phenomenon that is not related to any storm."
According to him, the project that currently centers the observations is called ILAN after Ilan Ramon, where the scientific initials of the project are "Imaging of lightning and nocturnal flashes". "Ilan Ramon started the interest in Israel in the elf phenomenon. We offered to photograph leprechauns from the space shuttle Columbia and the astronauts managed to photograph the phenomenon over lightning storms in Africa and over the Pacific Ocean. Luckily we got 70% of the footage during the mission and therefore only a small portion of these observations were lost in the accident. We published articles following the analysis of these photographs and this resulted in continued interest in the subject from students and researchers. At the same time as our group, two other groups operate in Israel - at the Hebrew University and the Open University. All the groups operate cameras pointing west towards the horizon and film these phenomena, which is what we have been doing every winter for six consecutive years since the disaster.
The highlight was when we photographed the same elves from both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem at the same time. In each photo we record GPS measurements and an accurate record of time, and from them we saw that the times match and therefore it is the same elf. After photographing several sprites from both cameras we began to discover their three-dimensional form. We discovered that there are different types of leprechauns, and one of them includes pillars that look like candles sitting on the leprechaun, which is also circular in shape. The diameter of the elf is several tens of kilometers and the diameter of the 'candles' tens of meters. These are rare photographs because usually the groups that study the elves use one camera from one place and not several cameras that are far from each other and allow a three-dimensional view.
And why do some think it's UFOs?
"As I mentioned, because of the great distance, the viewers do not correctly assess the connection between the elf and the storm and therefore they see flashes of light without a connection. Although these flashes last up to half a second, sometimes several sprites are formed in the same area, so you can sometimes observe strange and illuminated shapes that turn off and on and mistake them for alien spaceships. The elves are indeed a type of objects that were until recently unrecognizable, and today we can explain them and the processes that create them. It should be noted that before the elves were discovered with scientific equipment, reports were received from many pilots, including pilots in the Israeli Air Force who reported lights and flashes they saw above thunderstorms, but no one documented them and photographed them until 1989."
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For some reason, always, when I mention Hanan's appearance on the children's channel and the pearls of wisdom he uttered there - suddenly there is no answer.
I would also be silent from the embarrassment.
Only, I can't forget... the day dear Hanan Sabat appeared on the children's channel and explained to the children about the different UFOs and the different extraterrestrials. explained some 'types' of extraterrestrials; "Reptilians" (or something like that. From the word 'reptiles') and others.
Illustrations were shown that looked like a Hollywood suit by an unimaginative designer.
Hanan also explained about their aircraft, which fly using some kind of anti-gravity. That is, they eliminate the influence of the huge masses in the area. appear to be.
It is not clear how Hanan knows all this.
Hanan's website is also a joke.
The pictures on the site, raped into evidence, are so pathetic. really. The photos on the site alone testify to the seriousness of these people.
Ofer:
So in relation to Oren, you were able to understand that he was exposed to all the material.
why?
Because he told you.
I also told you that I was exposed but it didn't convince you.
Your decision making criteria also explain why you decided there are UFOs.
Of course, all along the way you avoided giving a single testimony or refuting any argument that was presented against your words. You also did not give any answer to the question of what someone would do differently if he gave in to your pressure and said "Ok - I gave in - there are people" (he will have to say "I gave in" because you are not even trying to convince).
Pine
Finally someone is talking about it. It is clear to everyone that it is impossible and there is no time to start bringing specific cases and start a discussion about each of them, especially since I think everyone should also have a lot of information around when they come to analyze a single case.
I understood your case, and I believe you that you went through a long process at the end of which you came out not believing in the phenomenon, even though you were exposed to a large number of sources of information.
I accept it, and there is no reason for anyone to think that I am right and you are not.
Despite this, I am convinced of the truth of the phenomenon and I am convinced that these are aliens who run the whole business, and if the passage of time only more and more evidence supports my opinion (in my opinion), when you trust me that I choose only the most reliable evidence.
Bottom line, all I'm trying to do is for more people to go through the process you and I went through, to receive the evidence in front of their eyes like you and me and judge for themselves.
In order for more people to be interested in the subject, I also think that the media should bring it to them, and I find it very strange that this is not happening. If every nad of Britney Spears makes it to the papers there is no reason why things like this shouldn't make it, and that's exactly what I mean about changing society's taste.
In addition, I mentioned at the beginning of this whole marathon that even the Hidan site, which is an excellent site that attracts many high-quality surfers, should publish news on the subject, and of course let the audience judge for themselves instead of always writing the judgment of the father of the editor.
In the end, history will prove who is right.
In my opinion, all the drifting after extraterrestrials is nothing but a substitute for that sublimity called God.
It is worthwhile and recommended to read the book by Prof. Chava Yablonka and Marion Jalamb: Evolution in four dimensions, in which they claim that heredity is not based on genes alone, but on four systems of inheritance: genetic, epigenetic (transmission of traits in the cell and not in DNA), behavioral and symbolic. All these systems, they claim, create variations that natural selection can act on. Furthermore, according to them, evolution does not always work randomly and blindly, more than once, mutations and other variations are affected by environmental conditions and appear at a time or place where they can improve the survival of the organism In this revolutionary idea, the authors posit a neo-Lamarckian theory based on the teachings of Lamarck, whose principles have been scornfully rejected by Darwin Sir Hanna since then...
All the phenomena of the UFOs (which are not mentioned in the book, of course) are, in my opinion, the product of gaps created between the neglect of the previous world, pre-Darwin, which was founded on the acceptance of a supreme and determining authority (God) and between the retreat to the laws of blind natural selection which creates from the mental-psychological point of view, A kind of need to discover the phenomena of extroversion (obscurities and extraterrestrials) in order to overcome types of embarrassment: religious, even if scientific and intellectual, supposedly expressed among the people in today's culture.
point,
I'm still not sure how you can identify certain people as extraterrestrials, so what you're asking for is a leap 🙂 but I'm guessing by the antennae on the head 🙂
Indeed, some examples of creatures living in very deep areas of the oceans look so strange and even "alien" in appearance. So it is not possible to decide that something is extraterrestrial just by DNA sampling, on the assumption that there should not be any closeness or that it will consist of a protein sequence that is completely different from what we are familiar with in nature.
There is no difference, 'extraterrestrials' were also once natives of the planet, it turns out.
Everything is an illusion.
No one has answered yet.
How do you distinguish between an extraterrestrial and something from Earth?
Ofer
I don't want anything from you. But I can ask you the same question. What do you want from the site readers?
Look Ofer, in my youth I was also a "fan" of Abami. really. Bags in the Dark was bread for me (even though I knew it wasn't real cases). I was sure that not only did aliens exist, but that they had visited our world. I read books, shows, everything.
But what... I grew up. It doesn't happen to everyone, especially not in this subject that is so enjoyable to immerse yourself in and not get out. Like any faith, the belief in conspiracies and evil spirits is not only a source of employment but also a comfort in the fact that we are special. That there is more to this world than meets the eye, etc.
So when I tell you that I looked at all the claims in favor of O'Avim and saw the tapes of the testimonies and the photos, I mean that I really saw and examined them from all angles. Not only that, but more from "your side"! Only that, in contrast to you, even though I started out like you, precisely from all these testimonies and the many proofs I was convinced that aliens do not exist in our world. This is because, in addition to the fact that I have grown up, I have learned to use the (mainly scientific) tools that I have acquired in my life in an objective and correct way. The fact that I allowed myself to question my beliefs is what allowed me to take the step forward and reach new insights. Are you brave enough to do the same? Or do you lack the tools/ability to judge with real objectivity already after so much time of believing in one thing (something I understand from experience)?
Pine
It was said in the section of I checked things and learned a lot of information, and I was convinced of the existence of the aliens. I believe that others who follow the same path may also be convinced that the sources of information are very convincing. If I were a person who without a problem followed every messiah who came to save him with some new sect, then that is one thing, but I was convinced from a very realistic and skeptical place, which means that other serious people may also be convinced and it is important that they try the matter.
In short, what do you want from me?
Ofer,
You said in response 91:
"I'm not stupid and I believe that if I was convinced of the existence of aliens other people might be convinced too."
Indeed... unfortunately the sentence is so true and sad... it just says something about our society doesn't it?
Ofer:
It's good that you're done because you didn't say anything during the entire argument.
What you just said also does not contribute anything because the belief in the existence of aliens will of course not change anything in people's desire to profit from their work - what you call "commercialism".
You did not provide a single piece of evidence and you did not instigate a single counter-argument.
It's also a shame that you didn't understand what I explained to you, but apparently not everyone is able to understand.
You also keep sending me to review things I've reviewed so at least I won't have to read it over and over again.
Therefore, as mentioned, it's good that you're done arguing with me (and in fact - if an argument is something that consists of arguments and counterarguments, you can also say that you're done arguing without even starting it)
Michael
We do nothing.
The people of the world are chasing nonsense. In every field commercialism dominates, no one goes deep and goes into details. A complete change in attitude is needed.
Listen, I'm done arguing with you. I have presented you with various arguments and you reply to me with the same mantras of someone who sounds as if someone is paying him to defend him.
The only thing I could tell you beyond that, is that you at least check some more sources of information, you will be sure that you are right. I'm not stupid and I believe that if I was convinced of the existence of the aliens other people might be convinced too. I'm not trying to make anyone believe because of me, I'm trying to make people seek the truth for themselves. A short search on the net can change their entire opinion on the subject, and yes - your opinion as well.
You claim to know our arguments, but you are so pressed to chant your usual mantras that I doubt you even know what you are talking about and what we are really arguing about. And to claim that simple sentences I write in Hebrew make no sense is also a strange piece on your part.
Skepticism is an important trait in any research and even more so in this field, but when skepticism becomes obsessive and blind to reality, that's when it becomes an obstacle.
I'll conclude by saying that even though I don't know you personally, skepticism like yours is extremely important. In every good story there are also the bad guys who always lose in the end, and you are a bad man.
Ofer, Ofer, I'll say it one more time so you might understand:
We are doing everything we can (subject to the stupidity of allocating resources to fight each other) so such a "look" has no meaning.
The ideal that science strives for is much more than what the aliens have achieved because there is nothing that one does not want to know how to do.
Therefore the belief (which I repeat is not based on anything) in alien visits has no operative (positive) meaning.
In fact the only effect it has is negative because it makes people waste time in idle arguments instead of engaging in science.
Michael
Michael
I'll just say it one more time and ignore your nerves. I will write slowly so you understand…
If we change the taste of society, that means we will make people in the world understand what our goals are in life and as a result society will invest more in areas such as research and science, etc., then we will reach the level of the aliens faster.
The whole thing about UFOs serves us as a mirror that shows the potential of the ability we can reach, and if people on Earth realize that they exist and that they do crazy things then it will make them internalize the whole thing and start to be interested as well. If many are interested in getting to where the alien civilizations have gotten, then we'll get there faster.
Thank you.
No need no need, really.
Michael,
My simplistic analysis comes in response to your question that I stated that the chance is low because most of the aliens scattered in the universe (if any) did not have enough time to reach us.
If this is also your opinion, then I'm happy because I aimed to know big...
Much more detailed and in-depth analyzes of the matter can be found in many places, for example in the book by Prof. Hagi Netzer and Ami Ben Best "Journey to Reason"
(Ofer - if you haven't read it yet - recommended)
Dan:
And of course - we also try to ask them not to shout "Gveld" just because it wakes up the neighbors
Dan:
And really no one claims that.
They simply refuse to join their "Goald" chorus.
The fact that there are people who make a claim that is doubtful about its truth (let's say that UFOs are visiting us) does not mean that one should make another claim that is doubtful about its truth (for example that UFOs are not visiting us) one can simply say that we do not know, or alternatively "according to the subjective logic Mine doesn't sound likely to me that we are being visited by aliens - but I have no way of knowing if my logic faithfully represents reality, just a gut feeling.
Dan:
Believe me no one would bother to claim that aliens do not visit here if there were not those who claim that they do.
These people make their claim even though they clearly haven't seen them (and most even admit it) and it's like you would claim that there is a flying spaghetti monster.
It turns out - therefore - that you do not understand the argument.
Imagine - for the sake of illustration - that one of your friends came and started scolding you for not joining with him in a mass protest about the fact that the government is hiding the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.
How would you react?
Oh, so it's very possible that there is an alien named "Sheminhas" who likes to eat on his birthday, the 900th of May, leprechauns that look like a giant birthday cake! And maybe he likes to eat a flying spaghetti monster for lunch! Yummy!
I have never claimed that there is a flying spaghetti monster, but on the other hand I will never claim that such a monster does not exist just because no one has seen it.
Dan:
First of all - there are UFOs.
This is a fact that cannot be disputed at all.
After all, all that is needed to see an unidentified object is not to recognize an object that is seen.
We have enough ignoramuses and country peoples who are not even able to recognize a target.
If we refer to extraterrestrial vehicles inhabited by extraterrestrial beings - I can assure you that most people here believe in their existence.
What is controversial is only the question of whether they got here.
There are many reasons why most scientists do not see this claim as plausible.
Some of them have been presented here and even many times.
It is a fact that no scientist has ever seen such a thing, and it is also a fact that the laws of physics known to us show that getting here from another planet is almost certainly impossible and that even if there is a slim chance that one extraterrestrial vessel will get here, the chances are that many will get here (as if they have nothing better to do). It is absolutely zero.
All this is explained in the comments that have already appeared here.
So true - all this still means that there are no extraterrestrial vehicles constantly visiting here and only trying to hide from the scientists, but in this sense the situation of the UFOs is exactly like the situation of the flying spaghetti monster.
How about starting to claim there is a flying spaghetti monster?
Noam:
I guess you noticed that most of what you wrote (and even more) can also be found in my words.
Still - even a quarter of the universe is a huge thing - isn't it?
If someone ever comes to us - more likely it will be the aliens from the next quarter.
And yet - in my opinion - the chance of this ever happening is slim and that's because of the reasons I listed.
Ofer:
come on!
I did not understand what we will do?
I just asked you what you think we should do and you didn't answer.
I hope you understand that when you don't say I can't understand what you're saying.
So now you say we will do whatever it takes to reach their level.
Dahil Rabak! What is "what is needed"?
What do you think we don't do out of "what is necessary"?
Do you think there's a chance you'll ever answer the question?
The UFO movies tell you nothing.
Apart from the anti-Semitic Jimmy Carter who appears there (and his words can be easily refuted - what's more, he does not show an excess of decency and logic in his relationship to the other issues) you don't know anyone there.
Everything you are basing it on is material of the same quantity and quality as that which was used to justify the blood plots and witch hunts.
I don't think you make sense at all, even though you claim to be so.
All your words are basically religious preaching and a pathetic attempt to tower over the people who think critically.
To all non-believers in the U.S
The fact that the existence of UFOs does not seem likely to you does not mean that it is likely that there are no UFOs.
Michael,
What is "they didn't have enough time to get to us"?
The universe has existed for billions of years, but its size is billions of light years.
The time needed to reach us consists of the time needed to obtain appropriate technology + the time needed to make a decision to come to us + the travel time.
It is of course difficult to quantify the above values, but if we take into account that the inhabitants of the Earth took something like 4.5 billion years just to reach objects close to our solar system, then it is certainly reasonable that the time needed to visit us could reach 8 to 9 billion years (from the moment of formation the foreign star) and at the speed of light (this is of course not an exact calculation but a rough guess).
Admittedly, the closer the alien planet is, the shorter the time to reach us, of course, but of course this greatly reduces the area of the universe from which aliens could arrive until today, and this is assuming that, as you mentioned, the aforementioned aliens have not only flight technology at the speed of light but Also technology that enables life during such a long flight.
By the way, since I think that we should be modest in our sense of importance (and that of the planet), it is possible that the time needed to make a decision to reach us, itself, is billions of years.
Regarding the ideas of wormholes and the possibility of "jumps and shortcuts" - these are for now only ideas and not solid scientific theories (and of course not proven).
In short - aliens with us? - Not very likely
And he added
http://www.disclosureproject.org/congress.htm
There is no connection between ufo and the elf phenomenon. The special one in itself!!!!!
Michael
If you didn't understand what we will do with it, the meaning is that we will do what needs to be done to get there. That's the level the aliens visiting our world have reached. If we manage to remove any doubt about their existence, this may, in my opinion, change the face of humanity soon and start the process that I detailed in my previous response.
I personally cannot do this process on my own and I have not claimed in any way that I have reached any moment, therefore in the meantime "what I have to do with this whole thing" is to try and bring it to the center of the stage so that objective people will receive the information as it is and not as people like you are trying to present him, and then let them judge for themselves (you probably won't agree with this wording, but that's the way it is).
Besides, this is a very interesting subject (to be honest, it's the coolest thing that KDWA has to offer) and like any interesting subject in life there is no motive for it to become a kind of hobby, so it is also a hobby for me like physics, football and music are hobbies for me and many other things others…
I have a question for all the skeptics.
You don't know me personally, of course, but I will attest to myself as a reasonable person for the rest of my life, although curious, but not one to follow any nonsense. It took me personally (in the beginning) many days of interest and checking sources of information to be convinced that this is a real phenomenon. The road there was as it should be with high skepticism and only after I realized that the sources of information I was looking at were reliable, only then did I really get down to business.
Has everyone I'm arguing with here done even one percent of my way? Did you also really go and check what was going on? I don't expect you to be obsessed and start going crazy all day with movies about UFOs, but genuine interest on your part, this is the only way I have a chance to convey my message to you.
I believe that after you have gone through enough sources of information and are convinced of their reliability, as reasonable people you too will finally understand what is happening. Skepticism is a necessary thing in the whole subject of UFO research, to be honest (and as absurd as it may sound) I am personally very skeptical and I am not tempted to follow any evidence of one kind or another until I understand its true nature and I recommend the same to everyone. But your skepticism is like lobby style The defender of some scientific corporation that is afraid to open its doors to the truth.
Ofer,
It's like the possibility that the Russians have developed a conspiracy and are aiming at any moment a nuclear missile that follows my butt, a specific missile that targets wherever I travel or fly.
There is a chance that it happens right now, likely not, faintly yes... but is it happening?
So it's true that you won't be able to disprove the possibility that this conspiracy is indeed happening, and it's true that you won't be able to prove that there isn't a nuclear missile aimed at my butt at any given moment, but the fact that you weren't able to refute it doesn't make it a reasonable hypothesis.
Science does not work according to possible hypotheses. People like you take advantage in their claims of the fact that people like us, who believe in the scientific method, believe that indeed anything is possible and are willing to take everything into account. But people like you also ignore the fact that the scientific method requires solid evidence that stands the test of truth every time it is put to the test. So it is not enough to bring a statistically possible theory, because it is known (quantum mechanics is sufficient proof) that anything is statistically possible to happen - such as, for example, a nuclear missile that aims at the buttocks of an innocent person every day of his life.
Ofer:
You copied the question and did not answer it.
What will we do from that moment on?
By the way - according to you - you have already reached this moment - so maybe you can tell us what you are doing with it?
A. Ben-Ner
What will we do from that moment on?
This whole aliens for humanity thing is basically like a mirror of our future. If they (the aliens) can do it - that means we can too! At least potentially.
Are we on our way there?
Definately not!
We live in a backward world where western culture follows passing fashions and the rest of the world is mired in wars and famine. Our only chance of ever (unless the aliens help us) playing battles in space is if we change the taste (yes - the taste!) of Western society, which ultimately leads the world, to a much more ambitious direction that tries to understand as much as possible about the nature of our lives and the environment in which we live
I mean that the whole society will realize that there are so many things to know and places to reach, all within the framework of human evolution, and will change the whole perception of society about science and its role. Science should be the planet's number 1 international project, and the main goal of every country is for us to become as quickly as possible a society capable of ensuring its survival, which settles on other stars and above all knows much more about the surrounding reality.
The whole alien thing then, is our show that it can be done. The interest arising from their mysteriousness is clear. If we manage to really prove what is happening, assuming that they don't want our harm but also still don't want to help us that much (and after all maybe it's better that we get where we need to get to at our own pace) then it will be a significant turn in humanity's attitude towards itself and towards its future.
Everyone in the world who is interested in the world of UFOs does so because of their curiosity to understand the universe and reality, such curiosity should be in each and every one of the inhabitants of this planet.
Why didn't any UFO expert answer my question?
How do you know if a certain UFO is extraterrestrial and not from Earth?
A. Ben-Ner:
We are in another exhausting discussion that repeats itself for the thousandth time.
In one of his previous incarnations I also asked the same question and I'm sure we won't get an answer this time either.
I don't remember exactly how I phrased it, but the idea was something along the lines of "Okay - let's say you're right - what will you do differently from that moment on?"
Of course I didn't get an answer because the real answer is "nothing".
Ofer:
You are only right that nothing will convince you.
Claiming that you are right, you are wrong.
Shahar impersonating a Fast Walker:
You chatter from morning to night.
Go get a million dollars and let us know until you get them.
What is "as an alien I would not rush to reveal myself"? You are an alien par excellence!
Noam:
What is "they didn't have enough time to get to us"?
The universe has existed for billions of years. Even at sub-light speeds, considerable distances can be traveled in such a time.
The problem is the almost zero chance that any living creature will survive such a long journey.
It's not a certainty but it's pretty close to it.
There are all kinds of speculations about the possibility of accelerating the journey beyond the speed of light, but almost every such speculation also reveals paradoxes of time travel.
All the same - maybe something can be done with hibernation, but even then - even if we assume it's possible - then how many aliens will actually reach our poor ball?
It should be remembered that even if they can move at a speed exceeding the speed of light - still - the information about our existence spreads in the universe at the speed of light and only after this information arrives is there a chance that someone will decide to go on a journey here (and in fact - in most cases - even when he went on the journey he did not know if the same star that saw it Not long ago it still exists or maybe it was destroyed in some event whose radiation has not yet traveled all the way - this certainly does not increase the motivation to go on a journey).
And even if they come - it's enough for them to see some of the comments here for them to understand that it's a shame for them to waste their time on us.
Ofer,
I haven't found a single one who dismisses outright the possibility of aliens visiting us. I don't find any physical contradiction in this, it's just not very likely due to the size of the universe. Even if there is an alien entity that is ahead of us by say 5000 years (which is a lot in terms of technological progress), then only today is there a chance to receive their first radio transmissions, provided they are no more than 5000 light years away from us. It's a tiny area of the universe, so there's a tiny chance it contains advanced life.
Regarding the conspiracy theory you adhere to, I'll give you another reason why you should get off it:
Those who accept the conspiracy make the hypothesis of the existence of UFOs irrefutable - "I 100% saw a UFO, but the government destroyed the evidence", "Parts of an alien spaceship were found, but the Ministry of Defense confiscated them"
Any attempt to bring a UFO find to the test will fail on the claim that the find was confiscated by one government or another.
I repeat, the whole conspiracy theory is illogical, implausible, there is no reason for its existence, there is no plausibility for maintaining this secrecy for so long, and it turns the serious discussion about the existence of aliens into a ridiculous suspense story - and no one is interested in that.
(And I personally believe in the existence of aliens, although I don't really believe that they had enough time to reach us).
So Roy, my mistake - for some reason I didn't come across these articles, even though I frequently follow the articles published on the "Hidan" website for at least two years.
Answer to 59 A. Ben-Ner:
The answer to your question is in the following link
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3672595,00.html
Gillian,
Thanks for the constructive criticism, but I am happy to report that it is not relevant. You will surely be happy to know that two articles about Lizzie's new physical theory were published on the Hidan website, already a year ago, when his theory was indeed new.
https://www.hayadan.org.il/surfer-stuns-physicists-with-theory-of-everything-1911071/
https://www.hayadan.org.il/grant-to-study-theory-of-everything-230808/
Roy.
Here is a slightly more serious and interesting topic that it was appropriate for the Hidan magazine to deal with - and not with age-old phenomena that were suddenly remembered at Tel Aviv University to exhume.
The fact that such an article is published in "Calcalist" and not in a scientific magazine or one that pretends to be scientific is puzzling, apparently, "Calcalist" is a more serious and scientific site, or perhaps the "institutionalized" academy is simply not comfortable dealing with innovation and the fact that its concepts are outdated And are invalid and therefore, like an ostrich burying its head in the sand, simply ignored?
http://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3226262,00.html
It is possible that the more the strange behavior of the bizarre particles is understood according to the quantum theory, the closer the explanation and understanding will be to the strange phenomena of unidentified objects: UFOs.
The article mentioned about the "condensation" that was brought up two days ago makes me think again about the possibility that corresponds to wonder and a hint of self-ridiculousness, to the evidence of UFO sightings and also in the irony that accompanies it: as the appearance of something almost incomprehensible: super-solid and liquid, at the same time, frictionless (?).
The analogy can explain quite a few events, shows, flashes and phenomena attributed to UFOs and which are so difficult to describe and evaluate in proportions.
Something else to think about.
stone..
The app is huge. First the understanding that we are not alone, that our origin is uncertain, that we are all citizens of the earth and most importantly...some delusional people were right and perhaps more truths were hidden from the public for years.
What about the technology that brought them here? She will not be used by the human race?
By the way, to all the mediators...your time has passed...belief in extraterrestrials tends to turn the other way with the help of the British government which freely reports on UFOs visiting the skies of England.
As of today, both the British Army and NASA are fighting these vehicles and trying to chase them down...does it make sense to you to attack someone you have no idea who they are and how they got to Earth?
As an alien, I would not rush to expose myself to such behavior on the part of our representatives (the leaders of the "free" world).
I have so many unproven cases that you don't understand...
In short, leave. Let's agree that you can't convince each other and that I'm right and that's it.
For all the fans of the Arab believers, there are aliens of all kinds.
I have one simple question for you:
Let's assume that you are right and indeed, let's say, your claim is correct that intelligent-intelligent-technological beings arrived-arriving in the Earth from outer space, outside the Earth.
What practical application, of any kind, can be made with this information ?????
I understand…..nothing!!!
This nothingness is exactly the essence of your claim.
You make a claim that cannot be proven - on the one hand.
cannot be refuted - on the other hand.
and does not provide any predication, that is, an experimental prediction that can be tested, measured and controlled by observational examination.
Therefore your claim is meaningless, apart from the psychological meaning. In this psychological context, the question arises:
What brings certain people to believe in a claim that in its essence is devoid of any practical meaning???
Ofer:
You have no such evidence.
You have music videos with people you don't know and with typical music of bags in the dark.
You have thousands of disproved cases and a lot of patience to collect more cases that have not yet been disproved because it is easier to make up such a story than to check it.
Maybe you should also stop giving me such importance. I do not tell anyone what to do in the field of scientific research, nor do I tell anyone whether to make history or create the future. My only crime is that I am willing to waste some time talking to you and other people who do not understand what science is.
Do you want to make history? Make history! In the meantime, I can only see that you are hysterical.
Michael
Let me give you an honest dummie:
Let's say I see evidence of aliens of one kind or another, am completely convinced and run to tell the company. On the way I talked to a lot of people and I was fine.
After a few days I see a program or something where they found another reason for what I saw and it turns out that it was an identification error. As proof of this, they also presented credible proofs in the style of an Air Force exercise that was really there and was photographed or a lightning storm and the like that really happened and was photographed.
In short, at that moment I realize that I was wrong and I repeat myself, the same testimony was rejected for me.
Now let's take you. Let's say I show you about 2 million testimonies (I'm exaggerating on purpose) in which it was proven with the same degree of reliability that there was a case with UFOs that are undoubtedly controlled by intelligent extraterrestrial pilots because they do very intelligent things. The evidence supporting the issue is comparable in level to the evidence that negates my example. Let's say that there are photographs, a fighter pilot admitted that he led an exhausting chase after them and they first played with him and then ran away from him without a problem, illogical warnings were received on the radar, etc...
The question is - will you be ready now to admit the reliability of the phenomenon??
And you know what's not fair at all, that in order to prove my claim I don't need 2 million testimonies, one reliable one is enough for me to change the face of humanity forever...
And you know what's the coolest thing, I have hundreds and thousands of such testimonials. You know what's not cool? Because of people with attitudes like yours we are unable to make of these testimonies what they are supposed to do - history.
I am in India and your discussion filled my boring morning, thank you
In my previous response I may have exaggerated a bit.
It happened that they laughed at a scientist who came with well-founded claims, but it didn't happen recently and even when it happened in the past - in the end it didn't take that long - until they accepted his claims.
Scientists actually look for every opportunity to give a winning answer to controversial problems. This is an opportunity to become famous.
By the way - Ofer:
If in your opinion so few people are involved in the conspiracy - how does that fit with the claim that scientists are afraid to look into the matter lest they be laughed at?
It has never happened that they laughed at a scientist who came up with well-founded claims.
Ofer:
I know your claims - not only minimally but very well.
They just seem unreasonable to me.
It's not that I think there aren't aliens but I'm pretty sure they've never been here.
The interesting thing is that the vast majority of the scientific community thinks so despite your tireless sales efforts.
What reason do you think this has?
Why does the same scientific community manage to accept the claim that we are descended from monkeys and fails to accept the claim of UFOs.
How is it possible that there are so few people you think know and so many people who know about them.
How can it be that so few people know and how is it that these few cooperate even though their countries are hostile to each other?
Gillian: There's no point in me responding because you won't understand anyway
Michael: What does "if you were more stupid" mean? It seems to me that you have pretty much reached the limits of the possible - your childish messages prove it in a clear scientific way (and of course, there are repeated observations with identical results).
To Oren, regarding response 30:
I was in mine and I know how to recognize lights very well. I actually also shot a lot of light bombs in my service and they look quite similar to light bulbs.
Just tell me how you can explain that in Haifa, Tel Aviv and Ashdod they saw the same four lights (illogical distances for a fucking light) and for about half an hour? (The burning time of a light is much shorter).
Exercises that the Air Force does not report on and wants to hide are not carried out in front of the country's shores so that they can see and be seen... I must point out, however, that compared to the latest evidence in Israel and in the world that relates to UFOs, this is a rather weak piece of information that cannot be worked with, but it is also impossible to come and refute it at all so easy.
To Michael
Go and check some sources of information, what harm can it do?
With all due respect I don't feel like we can play the same game right now, you're not exposed to what I was exposed to. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, but it sure doesn't mean you can dismiss everything like that.
As for the laws of physics, you are wrong... there are some laws in physics that cannot be broken, and the thing is, no one says that the UFOs break them. There are great movies (albeit completely theoretical) that can explain to you how the aliens can do all the things they do without Breaking the laws of physics but with crazy technology, the truth of which we can already guess the nature of even though we are many years away from it. It's no secret but that we can get there one day.
Regarding the Mossad and the Shin Bet - I repeat again that the knowledge about aliens in my opinion is found in very few people, if at all the Mossad has access to this subject, it is perhaps two or three people, even if they are your friends, I am sure that the subject is too sensitive to talk about.
Listen, convincing people like you seems impossible to me, but that's not the point. I know your side's claims very well, I think our side has at least earned the right to know our claims at a minimal level.
Pine
The movie I recommended is excellent, it even fits - there are mentions of famous UFO events and the same people say that if you don't trust their word, I don't know who you can trust...
So take an event from there and refute it, I'm waiting.
By the way, Gillian:
A moment ago we discovered a thousand riding a UFO and he told me that in Hebrew he calls himself a fairy.
Thousands - as we know - speak in all languages and sometimes they do it at the same time because they even plant the thoughts in your brain.
The UFO he was riding was actually a UFO because I saw it was a cat but I didn't know the cat so it was an unidentified cat.
If I was more stupid I wouldn't have realized it was a cat and then it would have turned into a real UFO.
Gillian:
The only rejection I go to is that I continue to argue with you even though you are not beginning to understand what you are being told.
Maybe you didn't notice but the text I brought is a quote. I did not choose the words that appear in it. I repeat and tell you that this is how those involved in the field chose to speak and I don't think there is any point in trying to change it.
Another question for the UFO researchers.
How can you tell if what you see is a UFO made by a foreigner, or if it is a UFO made on Earth?
Are there any rules of thumb?
Hanan, have you ever met a UFO?
dillian,
As a fan of MDB and fantasy books, I agree with you about the fact that the interpretation is not correct for thousands. but…
What does Tolkien have to do with it? After all, Tolkien did not write his books in Hebrew, they were translated (and not always accurately...). And he himself as a linguist boasted that he invents new languages or changes words to suit the flow of the story. Even in English he changed the words dwarfs to dwarves (like the plural of leaf to leaves) and claimed that he felt it was more correct to write this way, even though these words have been a part of the English language since time immemorial.
What to do that there are no such creatures in Jewish mythology? So in the translation in the different books you will come across different translations. There are translations that are acceptable to fans of the genre, that's true. And I also find it jarring to see a translation that looked like it was not done by a true fan of fantasy books. But again…
It's not always the translator's fault that he chose a translation even if it sounds wrong to us, that's how most dictionaries choose to define it (I always blame the book publishers who chose a translator that doesn't fit the genre 🙂 )
Oh and Michael, you go from rejection to rejection - since when is Elf a fairy? Tolkien is now turning over in his grave.
And no, you don't need to meet either a fairy or an elf in order to get a little familiar with the rich culture and mythology of many peoples (by the way, there are such courses at the university as well - maybe you should really take one and not at Tel Aviv University, where it's pretty clear that they have no idea what the difference between a needle and something that rhymes...)
Cool. But the one who still believes in the clouds, is the one who is still waiting for the revelation of the clouds in Dodo Topaz a few years ago...
Michael,
Soon you will say that Harry Potter is not real?! 😮 In short, there is no physical evidence for your claims. Photographs will not change the fact that they can be explained in terms of any of the factors I brought up in response 30.
Your video contributed nothing to the promise of conclusive proof of the existence of UFOs. It's just old "evidence", claims, and conspiracy quotes. Bring me specific claims you want me to disprove. If you want to convince me, bring provable theories about the environment Physically.
And one more thing, Ofer:
I am personally friends with several senior people in the Mossad and Shin Bet and those who were senior in the Air Force.
I'm talking about a brave friendship where personal "secrets" are also shared.
None of them know anything about this kind of conspiracy.
Ofer:
I get nothing from you.
I do not believe in the existence of a worldwide conspiracy on the subject and all your words assume the existence of this type of conspiracy.
What this means is that your theory claims that not only do there exist beings capable of doing what the known laws of physics say is impossible, but also that all governments - including those of countries that are enemies at heart and soul - are colluding on this issue to hide information from us (and not just any information but such Every citizen who is not a member of those governments thinks that he is one that everyone should know, but from the moment he starts working in the government, he comes to the conclusion that it is the opposite).
Listen: Harry Potter is easier to believe.
Gillian:
Unlike you - I have never met an elf or a fairy, so I can only rely on the dictionary.
I also didn't make a sentence because in my opinion there are no elves and no fairies and the whole story is just a story of choosing a name.
It turns out that people use the name elves to describe the meteorological phenomenon in question and I really don't care.
There is another phenomenon in the same field known as fairies.
See for example here:
http://www.tau.ac.il/~royyaniv/ILAN_website/Yair%20in%20Galileo.pdf
A quote from the above article is:
"The sprites are flashes of light that pierce the sky in the blink of an eye: the elves are rings of light shaped like a cloud; and the blue jets are cones of bluish light that emanate from the top of the cloud"
Perhaps you should consider that, unlike scientific innovation - language is precisely what you call with such disdain that lacks understanding - a herd phenomenon.
Our goal when we use a language is to be understood and a necessary condition for this is that the language be (see it's a miracle) a "common language".
After all, what is there in the sky is - a priori - no more elves than that of pingildods, but people chose the word elves.
Is it really important for you to argue about it?
Michael - I suggest you check the "poet's intention" before you jump in with different (wrong) interpretative interpretations, and maybe you should also contact the Tolkien Association in Israel where they will explain to you the difference between an elf and a fairy, but to will exercise his dignity even a little bit his gray cells - he will understand immediately that the poet's intention was a fairy and not an elf, since elves do not glow and emit light, while the sprites are aimed at luminous light creatures (similar to lightning) which are, as mentioned, fairies.
A small note: stubbornness does not equal indifference, however - in this case, your "high probability", equals indifference.
I do think there is an international conspiracy, but I don't think it involves so many people, but on the contrary - a small number of people who are centers of influence and hide the whole thing, that's my opinion and that's how I was convinced.
Comparing ghosts and crystal reading to UFO research is exactly what I try to explain to people not to do, so as you say - let's focus on the facts, and they probably go much further than you think..
Ofer,
There are countless testimonies of people who have seen auras around certain people, who have seen ghosts, who have met long deceased relatives, who have met a snowman, who have seen a monster in Loch Ness, and also who have met and/or been abducted by aliens.
I believe that most of those reporting do believe what they reported, but that does not make personal reports scientific proof.
Regarding the conspiracy theory:
Listen, so far you've been fine, but your reference to an "international conspiracy" shared by scientists, statesmen, prime ministers from all over the world, has lasted for decades - let it go, there is no way in the world that information in the hands of thousands of people for so many years would be kept a secret, It's just childish, or used as an alibi for the lack of real findings.
Regarding searches on the Internet (and in "professional" literature) - if you put in a little effort (and I did), you will discover dozens and hundreds of websites (and books) that provide reports, proofs and explanations for a multitude of nonsense: astrology, card reading, crystal science, witches, coffee readers and more and more . And by the way, on almost all of these sites, science is accused of patterning and ignoring solid findings - so what?
Let's focus on the facts - that's all that's needed
Oren, for example, watch the movie from the link I recommended to Noam and give me one example in which you think there is a "misidentification".
To Michael
My intention in researching the subject means many things, such as:
- to basically allow access of scientists not in the direct service of the governments to all the sites where a crash or landing and the like were supposedly reported.
- Examine the video evidence in depth and try to follow what you see after patterns of action that repeat themselves all over the world.
- Carry out a statistical study on the whole subject to build from an "alien agenda"...
- Gather together all the reliable human evidence (and there is a lot), especially those that consist of the stories of many people describing the same event.
- There are quite a few remnants of alien aircraft in the world, but they are kept in private laboratories (everything sent to a government laboratory disappears as if it were nothing), they should be taken and let international research institutes deal with them and announce what they will announce.
- Recently many governments (UK, Brazil, France, Chile and Denmark) have released all their X-files regarding various incidents with UFOs in their countries. Two things need to be done - one is to bring them to the center of the stage through the media so that everyone will get an idea of what is going on and what amount of evidence is involved, and the second thing is to exert international pressure on the part of science (the science! No nose, another one, this is a scientific interest!) on the governments that have already published ( And of course about those who haven't yet, mainly the USA) who will also publish those files that are considered top secret and cannot be published.
- To publicize the true effectiveness of SETI research which is basically wasting its time trying to win the lottery.
- Establish special institutes that will try to locate obim LIVE through observation in favorite places.
...Man, I can go on forever
There are really many other things that can be done, many things that are also smarter and more useful than what I mentioned (after all, I'm just one...) but in general all the information is with the governments (this is my opinion, I was convinced of this because I checked many sources of information on the subject, don't come and say that I'm talking nonsense without first checking for yourselves), we need to somehow arouse interest in the public that will put pressure on the governments in the hope that at the end of the process they will be forced to reveal the truth.
Come on friend, there is a lot of work, good luck...
Ofer,
I suggest you, as I suggested to several people in another forum in the past, that you bring me cases that you think are definite proof of the existence of UFOs and I will personally try to find not only counter-evidence, but definitive findings that contradict and bring the truth.
By the way, in the same forum I mentioned, I contradicted each and every one of the claims with real evidence that even the majority of the "UFO believers" in that forum had to agree with me. I didn't change their minds about UFOs, I think, only about the cases they brought, but people who sat on the fence At least I "redeemed" from a similar fate.
pleasantness
I reacted the way I did only because of your response from earlier and the comment about the movie Bags in the Dark.
I can't lay out all the teachings of the UFO researchers regarding the denial of the governments here, I suggest that you simply go to any website of a body that researches the subject and respects itself (and I mean that it researches in a scientific way and stays away from any mystical layer, etc.) or that you watch some documentary film (like For example - out of the blue, see link at the end) and you will understand many things.
I personally do not accept any proofs, in fact I have to wander far on the net to find them for the simple reason that the world media does not take them seriously.
As for those research institutes that prove the reliability of the evidence, it's not nonsense at all. First of all, these are not bodies that were established specifically for this purpose, but those that are used by the research on the subject. Second thing - the whole problem around this field is that a lot of people don't believe the testimonies, so how do you come up with this nonsense?
In the end, I understand that you agree with me that the nature of the research should be scientific and there is no room for bickering, but in my opinion the automatic negation of countless pieces of evidence is bickering in itself. All I suggest to everyone is that they dig with themselves and look for information on the subject - documentaries, articles, news and anything that suits them. If after examining the issue in depth he is still skeptical, then we have a lot to talk about and I would also very much like to hear him.
Here is a link to the documentary I mentioned, it was made in 2002, won many awards and was distributed at the time to all members of the American Congress. After all, a lot of things have happened since then, so the film is not so up-to-date, what's more, it was made in the American documentary film method, which sometimes gets a little tired, but still - it is a soft and excellent introduction to the subject for those who want to start getting into the details...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5545276251937701731
It is a fact that there were no conclusive proofs or completely reliable evidence for the existence of aliens. And even the most believing UFO researchers admit that it turns out that about 99% of the predictions/evidence can be explained by celestial phenomena, optical illusions or fakes...
Most likely it's as I said - celestial phenomena outside the Earth (it was known that in certain periods stars like Venus and others that look good were identified as "obscure" by hundreds of people) and also phenomena like aurora borealis (the northern lights) and lightning balls (a strange phenomenon in nature that Today we don't fully know how to explain it, but it is as natural as any other lightning - balls of lightning!) Distant lights, searchlights, airplanes, helicopters, balloonists, reflections, lights (from the ground or airplanes), meteors (outside the Earth) and meteorites ( Thousands of meteorites burn up in the atmosphere every day!!! After airplanes, it's the #2 factor as far as I know for UFO predictions) etc... the list goes on
As in Israel recently, sightings were reported - all of them were found and proved beyond any doubt that they were meteorites. And about a year ago, there was a UFO panic in Israel again, and then pictures were published that were taken by the same people, and it was clearly seen as shots (perhaps the jobniks among us will not recognize) with a clear trail of shots. And if it is not reported by HA that there was activity, it is not because there is none, because there is a legality that it is forbidden to publish exercises of HA! (unless the reason is really good) - probably shots from a plane, or maybe from the navy.
What to do? I believe there are extraterrestrials, but not in the Bible...
Is it just me or lately when there is no more buzz around the subject of aliens there are no more sightings???
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%91%22%D7%9E
to my peace,
The fact that 10% of UFO sightings are not explained by elves (or any other explanation!) does not prove the existence of UFOs.
It is important to understand - failure to explain a certain phenomenon by a certain factor does not prove that the phenomenon was caused by another factor.
What about the 10% of UFO sightings that are not explained by elves
Ofer,
If you accept "proofs" of the existence of UFOs and childish conspiracies, as quickly as you classify people without knowing them - woe betide UFO research.
Science, scientists and governments have no interest in hiding such information. Scientists all over the world are trying to discover extraterrestrial intelligence (which includes life on other stars, transmissions of various types and also UFOs).
You wrote earlier that there is a huge difference between the evidence for the existence of God and the evidence for the existence of UFOs, and I agree with you, so please, don't turn the issue of UFOs into another fundamentalist religion, which personally attacks anyone who dares to be a little skeptical - we have enough of those!.
At the time, a number of scientists from Germany organized a petition "100 scientists against the theory of relativity",
When Einstein was asked to comment on this, he said: "Why are 100 scientists needed? One contradictory finding is enough"
That's all that's needed - no stories about evidence, no research institutes to give their opinion on the reliability of the evidence (what is this nonsense - is this a court or a scientific investigation?), only reliable evidence
If you are in favor of the scientific method, please act like it - skepticism is not a personal injury, but necessary to separate grandmother's stories from scientific truths.
Ofer:
And how do you suggest scientists "investigate" the issue?
To look, they look much more than you (because they have more sophisticated equipment and unlimited time). When you look at the sky, you don't decide to see a super nova and not a UFO or a flying spaghetti monster, so every time you meet one of these, you report the find.
So far they have not reported UFOs and a flying spaghetti monster may have been reported once (she was seen sitting on a cloud and drinking tea from a cup flying to him in geostationary orbit).
No scientist has shied away from the subject except for projects like SETI and viewing all the optical instruments available to us - all that can be done is to refer to the reports of people who claim to have seen UFOs.
When the last option is taken - it should not be called UFO research but the study of reports about UFOs. It belongs to the field of psychology and indeed psychologists deal with it.
Reports of a similar type (and in no less quantities) were also about witches and Jews kidnapping a Christian child and using his blood to bake matzahs on Passover.
To Noam:
Your comment is so unprogressive, like it's your first time commenting on this site.
FYI, if there's one thing that's easy to prove in this world, it's that governments are hiding information about UFOs.
To be honest, there is no shortage of former government officials who have admitted this.
Leli:
I don't think that proofs for the existence of God are published every day that are relevant, high quality and irrefutable like those about UFOs are published. Sounds a bit delusional but this is the reality, if you are afraid of the truth continue to ignore it.
Comparing the study of UFOs to the existence of God is a stupid comparison, in the end if you think that people dealing with UFOs are so delusional, don't forget that one day you will eat this hat yourself.
The whole topic of UFOs is a topic of great importance to science and it is fitting that links to the topic and news should also be posted here on the website.
By the way, when I check a sighting related to UFOs, the first thing I check is that it is 100 percent reliable (and there are research institutes today that do this for us) and only then do I even begin to refer to it
And so do all the serious people who deal with the issue. This means, among other things, that countless pieces of evidence that are likely to be authentic (I'm mainly talking about video evidence) fall through the cracks because it was impossible to prove beyond any doubt that they are 100 percent reliable.
To come and slander all the researchers and those interested in the subject and imply that they are eccentric in one way or another is really unnecessary and unfair to this entire field of research. Because of such slanders, serious people (and especially many scientists) avoid entering the field for fear that they will be slandered by their colleagues or society.
As far as I'm concerned, people who do everything to refute the issue in such an automatic way are the eccentrics, and I think it's not impossible that history will settle accounts with them soon.
In the end, the loss is all of us - because we have a completely crazy section right here in Kdva and it's a shame that because of how many squares of thought we avoid investigating it and breaking forward to the next stage. Yes, yes
Gillian:
Good. It does not surprise me to find stubbornness among the followers of UFOs.
The Oxford dictionary also translates Sprite as "fairy; elf" and at the same time as "fairy; elf"
And I know that the Oxford dictionary can also be wrong and I know that there is even a probability that both Babylon and Oxford are wrong and I know that there is even a (even smaller) probability that both dictionaries are also wrong and Gillian is right.
My personal tendency, when I formulate a position, is to go for the high probability and not the low one. As with the UFOs.
A note about clouds,
If they are really hanging around here, apparently they are microscopic and therefore undetectable,
Because such technology is obviously available to those who have managed to overcome the vast distances of space.
At least that's what Ray Kurzweil claims in his book "The Age of Thinking Machines".
To all UFO followers wherever they are,
No serious scientist denies the possibility of the existence of UFOs, all that is needed is simple proofs of existence (not grandmother's stories and not hallucinations).
Science invests many resources in the search for external intelligence in the universe, and uses expensive and sophisticated equipment for this purpose. So far, no evidence for the existence of external intelligence has been found, and this certainly does not rule out this possibility.
The most strange and childish thing in my eyes are the repeated accusations of a conspiracy to hide information about the existence of UFOs from ordinary citizens.
Enough, enough of that, "Bags in the Dark" is just a movie!!
Babylon also claims that the word geveld in Yiddish is "an expression of displeasure" - while the simple truth is that geveld means "save".
Babylon is also wrong sometimes - what to do...
Here is what Babylon gives as a translation for the word Sprite
(SA) fairy, demon, goblin, spirit
n. elf, fairy, goblin
And please: give me the million dollars you owe me.
By the way, Anna:
I see you have sex reassignment surgeries back and forth.
What is? masochism?
Anna:
Why go as far as UFOs?
How about I go prove to him that there is a faucet?
Now tell me - do you really believe that aliens are walking around here or did you just predict and want to give the alien believers an even worse name than they already have by presenting such stupid arguments on their behalf?
Anna, James Randi does not need to pay a million dollars to prove to him what he agrees with but to prove that the phenomena he does not agree with do exist. Therefore it will not help to contact him. Whoever claims to have proven a paranormal claim and succeeds in doing so in front of Randy, will receive the money
To Michael
If you are so sure of yourself, maybe you can prove to James Randi that there are no UFOs and make a million dollars, why are you just wasting your time on this discussion.
To a point:
1. I do not deal with beliefs. We will leave that to Tel Aviv University.
2. I deal exclusively with the scientific research of the phenomenon. Everything I said or wrote is based on studies (most of them official studies).
3. According to the response, I don't know what your age is, but it can be guessed.
Hanan Sabat
http://WWW.EURA.ORG.IL
To Hanan Sabat and the Gillians
I don't understand what your fuss is about?
After all, no one disputes the proven scientific fact
Because, abdominal muscles are indeed muscles and exist!!!
(At least inside your minds you... and your peers)
All that is claimed in the article, in the context of the phenomenon of the elves, is that some of the reports about elves (only some) may be wrong and it is possible (only possible) that they resulted from an observation of those elves (or fairies according to Gillian's version) and a wrong interpretation of the viewer as to the essence of the phenomenon he saw (in terms of "eyes for them and they will not see ears").
After all, you are not claiming, to the best of my humble understanding, that all the reports about Avamim are reliable and trustworthy beyond any doubt.
to the Gillians. There is a great deal of unfairness and abject injustice, in the condemnation and contempt that you have attributed, exclusively, to Professor Price and Tel Aviv University, where he serves. What about Jerusalem University? And what about the Open University?
After all, the same studies are being conducted there as well, at the same time and in collaboration with Tel Aviv University.
They don't deserve the same compliments from you???
What, do you think their intelligence is higher?
Do you think they have more credibility and prestige than Tel Aviv University? Why didn't you also earn them your prestigious poverty certificate?
About this it is said: "Wisdom, be careful with your words...
and stupidity all the more"
Hanan, do you seriously believe there are UFOs?
Cool. How old are you.
Ofer - also all the evidence that is published every day for the existence of the gods, for the correctness of the Torah, and all these quibbles my father spares us.
But I don't understand what you are complaining about, go to Hanan's website, and fill yourself as much as you want with such proofs.
Wow!
Someone said UFOs and look what a religious reaction it entails.
I assume that the person who referred to UFOs did so precisely because he knew that there would be quite a few people for whom the subject would evoke an emotional response instead of a factual response.
In my opinion, it's worth thinking about the fact that another way to investigate the topic of UFOs as an anthropological phenomenon has been discovered here. You just have to write an article with the word UFO and monitor the responses.
Has anyone out there bothered to find out how many UFO sightings occur during thunderstorms?? Even if this lame excuse (which joins a long list of strange explanations) somehow turns out to be true I don't think it would be valid for more than a few sightings that occur during thunderstorms...
Father, I just don't understand your interest in your fight against the revelation of the truth. I, who am not a scientist, know scientific ethics probably no less well in fact that I examine the phenomenon to its core and do not try to rule it out at all costs and without logic. For a long time, those "skeptics" of this and that have not had a real pocket in light of all the evidence, it is necessary to check exactly what is their interest in withholding the truth from the public.
In addition, a set of evidences that are published every day on various websites for some reason do not reach the center of the global media, even though there is nothing more interesting or big than this topic in terms of the human race. In my opinion - the "Hidan" website, an excellent website in my opinion that I respect and am very interested in, would do its readers an excellent service if it published some of these websites that report in a reliable and scientific manner on the phenomena of UFOs in the world.
fairy is a fairy. A sprite is an elf
I invite Prof. Price for a conversation and an introductory lesson on the subject of UFOs.
Unfortunately, if he had been my student, he would have received a failing grade, due to lack of orientation in the field, failure to conduct research, failure to present findings, and of course - failure to prepare basic homework.
All the arguments put forward by him are simply imaginary and have no realistic hold on the existing studies and findings. It's amazing that none of them, who must have heard this story, didn't even bother to ask themselves why the learned professor links a phenomenon in the sea that is related to the atmosphere and has been known for decades, to the UFO phenomenon, most of which occurs below the height of the clouds and above the noses of the professors at Tel Aviv University...
Hanan Sabat
http://WWW.EURA.ORG.IL
By the way, I also have to correct the translation for the term Sprite which is not "elf" but "fairy".
There is nothing like fictional studies and slips from reality. What's more, they are disconnected from the findings and studies that exist.
This time I won't even bother to go into detail, because with arguments that originate from the private belief of a few gentlemen who have never researched the issue and are throwing arguments into the world, which have no realistic, research or factual basis, there is nothing to present scientific findings in front of.
Against faith there is none and with presenting facts.
Hanan Sabat
http://WWW.EURA.ORG.IL
It is amazing that the celebrated professor from Tel Aviv University recalls a phenomenon that has been known for at least 50 years, and was photographed already twenty years ago when he tries to appropriate its discovery for himself.
His claim as if "we haven't seen them until recently" is a false claim, at best - since as mentioned, the phenomenon has been known since 1956.
And of course the phenomenon of sprites (which are actually lightning in the upper atmosphere) has nothing to do with UFOs - there are always identification errors, and many (in fact, about 95% of UFO reports originate from various identification errors), without any connection to this phenomenon.
Bottom line - does not add credibility, prestige, nor does it indicate excessive intelligence. Poverty certificate for Tel Aviv University.