This is what Paul Shoch, founder and CEO of the SETI League, an association that searches for alien radio signals by scanning the skies using amateur equipment, says in an interview with the scientist website. Shoch chaired a session that dealt with the search for intelligent life in space as part of the IAC Congress that took place in Jerusalem last week
"The search for aliens does not require equipment and a budget of tens of millions of dollars." This is what Paul Schoch, founder and CEO of the SETI League, an association that searches for radio signals from aliens by scanning the skies using amateur equipment, says in an interview with the Hiden website. Schoch chaired a session that dealt with the search for intelligent life in space as part of the IAC Congress that took place in Jerusalem last week.
"First of all, SETI is not the name of an organization but a scientific field, it's like chemistry or biology are not the names of certain organizations. SETI science brings together a variety of methods for detecting the electromagnetic signature of extraterrestrial civilizations."
"The most well-known body in the field of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence is the SETI Institute in California. The SETI Institute is a kind of continuation of the SETI office of NASA that was closed. In the early 12s, NASA established a modest office of SETI activities at NASA's Ames Space Center in Mountain View, California. On October 1992, XNUMX, they began a search project that was planned to last ten years and which was funded by the government, as part of the NASA budget. The goal was to locate radio signals from intelligent civilizations."
"Just one year later, the US government stopped funding the project. I especially remember the speech of Congressman Richard Bryan from Nevada, before Congress: "You have been looking for a whole year, you have spent millions of dollars, and not a single little green man has come and asked to be brought to your leader . It proved, according to O'Brien, that no one out there is wrong - that there is no intelligent life in Washington.
"Following the closing of NASA's SETI office, its employees opened a donation-funded non-profit - the SETI Institute, which took it upon itself to continue the activities of NASA's SETI program. But in fact he continued only half of it. NASA's program included a search for radio signals from intelligent civilizations: a survey of the entire sky, and focused listening. The focused listening was done using two of the world's largest radio telescopes Arecibo and Goldstone, which are highly sensitive. They are able to track a specific star and listen to the transmissions emanating from it (usually natural emissions in the radio field) they had a catalog of the nearest thousand sun-like stars to us and which there is a chance that they have Earth-like planets."
Does that sound like a very small number?
Shoch: "If the guess is wrong, it does not mean that there is no life in the universe. A thousand stars are nothing compared to the 400 billion stars in our galaxy, which is one of a hundred billion galaxies, so if you observed a thousand stars, I actually covered zero percent of the sky. With the understanding that putting all the resources on A thousand stars is a high investment, NASA's STE office operated a component of the all-sky scan. There is no need to point the telescope In a certain direction. It is possible to point antennas with wide reception and cover the whole sky systematically over time."
"In this way we will be able to pick up the signals of a civilization so advanced that its signals are so strong that we can pick them up even with modest radio telescopes. Using these two complementary methods, NASA estimated that within a decade it would be able to record success."
"In 1994, the SETI Institute, composed of former NASA office personnel, renewed the focused search among the thousand stars. At the same time, another organization was established by me and my friends, and I had the honor to be its founder and CEO - SETI League, and our mission is to take We have the survey of the whole sky. We had an asset that NASA did not have, the radio amateurs and microwave experts all over the world. Thousands of people began to work together on the volunteer searches and communicated with each other through the then new medium - the Internet. This way they could do collaborative science using small radio telescopes. My role As a microwave engineer, we designed these radio telescopes, and we encouraged many people around the world to build these systems It was actually a continuation of the Argos project at NASA's SETI office, named after the monster from Greek mythology that had a hundred eyes, and fifty of them pointed in every direction at once. Mythology says that when Argos died, the gods took his poor and transferred them to the tail of a peacock. In our case when Argos died, his eyes were passed on to hundreds of passionate radio enthusiasts all over the world. And they began looking for a coordinated search from different areas around the world for the elusive signals. We are in the STI League without any budget, we have reached the same success rate as the well funded STI Institute. In other words, we also did not find any sign of intelligent civilizations in space."
What is the cumulative viewing time and how many telescopes are viewing the sky at any given moment?
"Currently, in the Argos network, we have about a hundred active telescopes at any given moment (as mentioned, these are small telescopes of AB hobbyists). This is a much smaller number than is needed to perform a reasonable job. Our dream is to scan the entire sky continuously in real time. About 4,000 are required Devices operating at the same time this critical mass has never been achieved Cumulative cost. Multiply 3,000 devices by 4,000-4,000 thousand euros and you will reach a respectable amount. Among our operators are radio amateurs, experts in signal processing. Although we have achieved much less than we thought, it is still the largest radio telescope viewing project of all. The rest of the projects in the world together."
"At least we can be satisfied with one important scientific achievement - we proved that extraterrestrial intelligence is not widespread because otherwise we would already have encountered its signs in life as we know it, at least technological life is not as widespread as we thought."
Shoch who participated in a special session that dealt with the search for extraterrestrial intelligences and which also included lectures dealing with the question of how long the life of a civilization lasts, while examining the ancient dominant cultures on Earth, and especially ancient Rome which collapsed after a thousand years. The conclusion was that every empire eventually collapses, therefore even if we discover signals from a culture tens of thousands of light years away, most likely it no longer exists.
Schoch disagrees with the claim of Prof. Stephen Hawking who fears the effect of discovering such a transmitter on our culture - which will be similar to the meeting of Cortez, the representative of the Spanish conquest with the Native Americans in the 16th century which ended badly for the Native Americans. "In the case of the Spaniards, we are talking about a physical encounter. I do not believe that receiving radio signals without physical contact, which is impossible due to the vast distances and low speeds at which it is possible to physically move in the universe, will not have such an effect."
"If we discover the signals, we will at most know that we are not alone, and if we do not discover such signals, then already in the search so far, celestial phenomena such as quasars and pulsars have been discovered, and they have made an important contribution to science."
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Raphael
You are the funniest guy on this forum
Please don't leave because of some compulsive commenters
Rafael stay!
Raphael
Why not mention their names? Here let's go with one name:
Raphael
And there are those who are still trying to communicate with some invisible God 😀
I agree with Eric.
Moshe, learn - on this site it is forbidden to say things that contradict the opinion of some compulsive commenters whose names we shall not mention.
Moses
Your sweeping statement teaches something about you. You are not a great sage and you probably won't be either soon or in the future
Moses
Why do you think we are alone?
In my opinion... we are alone.
(Despite the infinite amount of galaxies, stars and everything else)
Regarding Hawking's claim: perhaps receiving the transmitter will not create a problem, but transmitting messages to extraterrestrials (SETI has done this in the past) it is not clear what they are trying to achieve with this
The whole search for signs of life on other planets is ridiculous and impractical.
Could astronomers in the 17th century have been able to pick up signs of life from the Earth of 2015?
of course not. Because they didn't know about radio.
The thought that a civilization more advanced than us uses inefficient radio transmissions as communication is ridiculous. Already today, only 150 years after the invention of the first radio device, we are moving to a different form of communication while using electromagnetic radiation.
Who said that 100 years from now we won't switch to using neutrinos, or gravitational waves, or radiation that you don't even know about?
The chance that we will find life exactly, but exactly at the level of our one-to-one reduction, or that exactly when we point our radio receivers into space, a broadcast will reach us precisely on the radio - ridiculous and presumptuous.
Paul Schoch is right - they should have started by checking the information that has accumulated over the past decades here and not by ignoring it and the scientific (and official) studies that have been done... there is no logical reason to search for radio waves and support an entire organization, whose entire contribution to the world is embodied in a screensaver....
Hanan Sabat
The Israeli association for the study of UFOs and extraterrestrial life
https://www.facebook.com/groups/59433340944/
What is particularly interesting was the dominant conception that held for so long and that is that there is no life outside the earth, even though already 100 years ago and more they knew how huge and unfathomable the universe is, which has millions of galaxies. Apparently the simple and basic conclusion should have been the opposite - if there is life in our solar system and there are countless solar systems in countless galaxies - then the universe is infested with life!!
It is interesting that most of humanity seems to have jumped some kind of phase: now there is almost universal agreement that there is life outside the earth. Now the main debate is whether there is intelligent life. According to this way of thinking, it is clear that there is intelligent life, only that it is difficult to locate them because they may be using communication methods that we have not even thought of yet.
When I heard about their project, I was particularly enthusiastic about the possibility of running an application on the PC that is analyzing
Part of the huge amount of information they collect I will contribute to human knowledge to science,
It seemed to me at the time that the negative attitude towards this project originated
In a lack of scientific understanding of the importance of such a discovery, during the time I ran the application that looked pretty cool
Gives you the feeling that in a moment you will be the one to discover the first letter from ET and all this while it is happening
Performs everything automatically, I delved into what they do and from their websites I understood correctly at least at the time
that the ability to inhibit the sensitivity of the detection devices even in the terrible plate in Puerto Rico will not be able to detect the electromagnetic aura that is created around a planet such as the Earth
Even from a distance of about 4 light years which is the closest star to us which means that if there is no direct transmission in our direction
We won't be able to receive this signal from anywhere, so it lowers the chance to close to zero, not out of knowledge, I thought that with the sensitivity of the devices they cover considerable parts of our galaxy otherwise why try at all,
A direct broadcast aimed at us at the time could be received from a distance of about 1000 light years, this too according to the data from their website, but why would something send an electromagnetic signal to some random planet in a galaxy that has only been around for the last 200 years
began emitting electromagnetic waves of unnatural origin from the moment the intelligent primates started playing with electricity, I recently read various articles that showed that today there is a detection capability for much greater distances
I didn't delve deeper and I don't know the distance they are currently able to receive an electromagnetic aura that is not a direct transmission,
Because it is clear that the distance of our electromagnetic disturbance is less than 200 light years so there is no reason for anything
From a distance of over 200 light years to send us a targeted signal, these if very boring to him.
Even if they find it, they will not publish it, because it will be a huge technological, economic and military advantage for those who surpass the broadcasts.
They would prefer to keep it a secret and keep quiet.