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Can we make babies to order, what is synthetic evolution and what will human 2.0 look like?

All of these questions were tried to be answered by the participants of the "Not the Way of Evolution" evening held by FeyLab graduates from Israel and Greece at Hamada, and the answers (inside) are interesting

synthetic biology. Illustration: shutterstock
synthetic biology. Illustration: shutterstock

Babies on order

The first lecturer was Michal Dekal. Dekel graduated with honors with a bachelor's degree in biotechnology and a master's degree in genetics and is currently working on her doctoral thesis on genomic stability in human embryos - in the first stages of development and in the stem cell lineages. This research was conducted in collaboration with the Genetic Institute at Tel Hashomer and the Center for Stem Cell Research at the Technion.
150 years have passed since Darwin realized that evolution occurs because of random changes that give an advantage to those subjects. Today we know that these changes are mutations that occur in the genome, in DNA. Mutations are also the cause of some of the various diseases we see around us today. Whereas today, 150 years after the publication of "The Origin of Species", and after the genetic code was deciphered and many genes were discovered (and many more will be discovered in the future) we have the technological tools to get rid of those diseases. Therefore today the question I want to raise is do we have the power to influence the path of evolution, do we have the power to intervene and perhaps bypass natural selection?

Theo Anagnostopoulos in his lecture in Hamada. Photo: Eitan Crane
Theo Anagnostopoulos in his lecture at Hamada. Photo: Eitan Crane

Let's take sickle cell anemia as an example of such a disease. Sickle cell anemia is a hereditary blood disease manifested by a defect in the structure of hemoglobin. The hemoglobin protein is the oxygen carrier in the body. Inside each blood corpuscle there are about 200 to 300 million hemoglobin molecules and they are the ones that transport the oxygen to the cells. When the protein is damaged, it forms a different (longer) structure which causes the red blood cells to deform into a sickle-like shape. Such blood cells do not survive for a long time, which leads to anemia, and in addition, the oxygen supply to the cells is impaired, which can cause pain, paralysis, many infections and, without treatment, even death. Today there is no cure for the disease and the proposed treatment mainly focuses on alleviating the symptoms - antibiotics, frequent blood transfusions and the like.

If our goal in the current era is to eliminate this disease, we need to know a little about its cause - the defect in the hemoglobin structure occurs due to a mutation in the hemoglobin gene. The gene for hemoglobin is located on chromosome 11, and since each of us has two chromosomes 11, we have two copies of the gene. Sickle cell anemia is a recessive disease, that is, it is enough to have one normal copy so that the disease does not appear. Although there will be production of abnormal hemoglobin because there is one defective copy, but the normal copy covers it and therefore there will be enough red blood cells with a normal structure and the symptoms of the disease will not appear. Such people are carriers of the disease and may pass the defective gene on to the next generation - in the pairing of two carriers there is a 25% chance of a sick child - a child who will have two abnormal copies and will be sick with all the symptoms I mentioned. Today there are tools that can easily identify who are the healthy, who are the carriers and who are the sick in the population.

Since with the patients, the problem is that there is no normal copy of the gene, it is possible that in the future, with methods of gene therapy, it will be possible to cure the patients. This was recently tried in mice, and it is a groundbreaking study - they took mice that have sickle cell anemia, isolated skin cells from them, with the help of an innovative process, managed to turn these cells into embryonic stem cells - those cells that can differentiate into all the cells in the body, and then injected these cells with the shape The normality of the hemoglobin gene. These cells were sorted in the direction of the hematopoietic system and implanted in the bone marrow of the mice, and they began to produce normal hemoglobin and were cured of the disease.

The process is still not safe enough for us to perform it in humans as well, it is necessary to make sure that it was inserted in the right place and does not interfere with the function of other genes. But even if in the future the process will be possible, it still does not prevent the transition to the next generation. In this process, the gametes are not changed and therefore the defective copy of the gene will be passed on. If we want to completely get rid of the defective form of the gene, another technology can be used - preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD), a technique in which the embryos can be scanned to know their genomic content. The technique requires in vitro fertilization - eggs are extracted from the woman and fertilized in the laboratory with sperm taken from the man. The embryo is allowed to grow in the laboratory for several days - by cell division - when all the cells are genetically identical, they all have the same DNA because they all developed from the same primary cell, and when the embryo is 3 days old and contains 8 cells, one cell is taken from it and tested. If we want to get rid of the defective copy, we will return to the womb only those embryos that are found to be completely healthy - neither diseased nor carriers. In this way, within one generation it is possible to get rid of the defective form of the gene - if we return only healthy offspring and not sick or carriers, it will not be able to pass on.

But if we already did in vitro fertilization, and took one cell from the embryo to test its genomic content - why test only one disease? The location and role of thousands of genes related to various diseases and traits in the human body is known today - why don't we test them too? Imagine a world where we could choose the traits of our offspring. And the truth is, this world is just around the corner. In the not too distant future we will be able to mold our children according to our will. By screening embryos we can select only those with green eyes or blond hair, or alternatively we can engineer the embryos as we wish - changing existing genes in other genes, even those that were not in our database at all.

Is the question whether to do all these things only moral or is it possible that we don't see the full picture at all. Maybe there are wider consequences for our actions that we may not be aware of?

To illustrate this point, let's go back to sickle cell disease. After all, we said that Darwin understood that only traits that confer an advantage survive - and sickle cell anemia is not really an advantage - why then does this gene survive and not disappear on its own? The disease is widespread mainly in countries such as Africa and South America. What is also common in these areas is the disease malaria - it turns out that the carriers of the gene for sickle cell anemia are immune to malaria and do not develop the disease. The protein through which the malaria parasite enters the blood cells changes due to that mutation and therefore the parasite does not infect at the same rate - it does manage to infect the healthy cells, but at a slower rate that allows the immune system to overcome it. Malaria is a disease that kills more than a million people a year, most of them children, and it turns out that the defective gene gives the subjects the same evolutionary advantage in the environment in which they live.
In other words, our ability to get rid of a particular shield today can have a far-reaching effect. And therefore, before making such a decision, it is important to be aware and see the big picture.
By the way, another way to get rid of this disease, the good old way, is one where we get rid of malaria, then the carriers of the defective gene will no longer have an evolutionary advantage and slowly the gene will find its way out of the general gene pool.
In conclusion, several points for discussion -
Is it appropriate to allow genetic intervention in embryos? Are we aware of the consequences? Is there a difference between curing a disease and improving a trait? Where is the border? Who should draw it? What should be the composition of the body that will draw the border?
Is it possible that by actually destroying a certain allele, we are changing the path of evolution? And maybe we are even delaying evolution by preserving the existing?

The values ​​of the Singularity University
The values ​​of the Singularity University

Will synthetic biology lead to synthetic evolution?

This is what Theo Anagnostopoulos asks, one of the winners of the FeyLab competition in Greece, who this week participated in the "Not the Way of Evolution" event together with two graduates of FeyLab Israel, in Hamada

What is synthetic biology - a new type of biology that includes chemistry, computer science, engineering and molecular biology. This is how Theo Anagnostopoulos defines it, a molecular biologist and geneticist whose areas of research focus on human populations, hereditary diseases and reproduction. He has been active in the field of scientific communication since 2007. He founded the non-governmental organization SciCo www.scico.gr whose goal is to simplify scientific topics to be presented to the public in creative and fun ways. He was also one of the founders of the Green Project organization whose goal is to promote and encourage the use of renewable energy sources.
Anagnostopoulos was one of the participants in the meeting entitled "Not the way of evolution" that took place on Monday of this week in Hamada, together with two graduates of FaymLab-Israel - Michal Dekal andRoey Tsezana.
Synthetic biology works in two ways, Anagnostopoulos says. "One way is the way of genetic engineering, they combine a DNA segment from different creatures so that they create a new bacterium, but they use existing DNA. The second way, which is relatively new, is to build a synthetic DNA segment and create a new creature with it.
We heard about malaria - a disease that affects 500 million people every year and a million of them die. The treatment is with the drug quinine. The problem is that the doctor found a way to quinine resistance. Scientists have developed a new drug called artemisinin that actually grows inside a plant. Farmers have tried to grow the plant commercially and this is something that cannot be monitored as a result of the known variability in agriculture - in droughts, other natural disasters and as a result the price of the medicine changes and it does not drop below 10 dollars per dose, a price too expensive for poor countries - those countries where malaria is common.
"A group of scientists from Berkeley cut and pasted DNA from several different organisms and developed a new metabolic pathway - the way the cell works and consumes energy to function. In 2003 they published in Nature Biotechnology that in this way they succeeded in developing an E. coli bacterium that produces Artemisias.
In 2008, the same team announced that it had succeeded in increasing production by one million percent. As a result, the production cost dropped from ten generations per treatment to one dollar per treatment. The pharmaceutical company Sanofi-Aventis has registered a patent for the drug and will soon begin selling the drug in bulk at the cost of production - a dollar per dose. Other uses for the method is the development of bacteria that turn sugar into environmentally friendly fuel, others are trying to develop bacteria that will turn cellulose into biofuel.
The energy we need on Earth is 15-18 terawatts. According to the predictions, synthetic biology can bring any amount between 5-90 terawatts, which means that there is a chance that synthetic biology alone could provide us with all the energy consumption.
Another use is to create a new organism that will absorb the excess carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. And a crazy thing done with this method: at the University of Pennsylvania they managed to extract DNA from an extinct mammoth and they plan to inject it into an elephant's egg.

The future vision is to create a synthetic organism directly from chemical components and a DNA master plan. Craig Venter, one of the leaders of the human genome project, is talking today about the minimal genome project - taking bacteria and removing one gene from them one after the other, and trying to find what is the minimum necessary to maintain life. They try to reassemble the bacteria using only chemicals and of course add new genes that can, for example, produce a medicine.
Points to think about - what happens to the thousands of farmers who cultivated the artemisinin plants? Who said Mammoth wants to come back? The mammoth died for certain reasons - it became extinct without the intervention of humans. Who controls the technology - we can interfere with our children, we are lost and will have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on our health, why don't we make children who do not carry genetic diseases? How expensive will it be - will everyone have access to it or only the rich?

Person 2.0
The last participant wasRoey Tsezana, also a Paymalab graduate, who talked about possible improvements to the human body. How can we give people the ability to improve their vision? Today this can be done through laser surgery. Athletes like Tiger Woods have had surgery that gives them 20/15 vision - meaning they see objects 20 feet (about 6 meters) away as if they were 15 feet (about 4.5 meters) away, and some are able to see 20/15 (6/3 meters). Fortunately for them, this has not yet been banned for athletes, and it is important for them to see the golf balls better.
The future holds the possibility of genetic engineering using viruses. This method is designed to fight one of the enemies of the human body, the free radicals. The problem is that they are formed as part of the natural breathing process. If a muscle cell knows there are too many free radicals it stops working to give the free radicals a chance to be broken down by the catalase enzyme. The problem is that this enzyme works at a limited rate.
In 2005, transgenic mice were created that express an excess of catalase in their cells. These mice can gain better protection from free radicals compared to 'normal' mice. They lived between 10% and 15% longer than normal mice and also had less heart disease, and less cataracts in the eyes. Is it possible to do a similar thing in humans? Humans cannot be genetically engineered as mice are, because human generations are much longer. Therefore for humans there is another solution, genetic engineering using viruses. The idea of ​​injecting billions of viruses into veins, in an experiment on mice these viruses entered the cells and infected them with the gene that expresses the catalase. Even these mice, like those born with this expression ability, recorded a significant improvement in physical fitness.
There are several obstacles in the way of using the enzyme in humans. First, it is not certain that what works in mice will work in humans. Secondly, it is desirable to improve the safety of the use of viruses because they may cause damage and not only perform their duties.
The third example of human improvement is also taken from the living world - eternal restoration. There are animals such as the salamander that can regrow limbs. The snails beat them all because they can even grow their heads. But there is an animal that beats them all the hydra. Like the mythological hydra, every head that was cut off would grow two, there is an animal that is very close to it, the hydra. This animal includes one leg, a head containing a mouth and an undetermined number of hunting arms, although unlike the mythological hydra it is only 3 millimeters long, but it has much better rehabilitation abilities than the snail. the hunting arm. But even the severed hunting arm will regenerate the entire hydra.
If we take the hydra and break it down into the thousands of cells it is made of, the cells will reconnect into clusters of 10 cells and each cluster will build its own new hydra. The reason for this is that the hydra's body is full of embryonic stem cells and they are the ones that are able to rebuild the hydra. In fact the hydra can be said to be an eternal fetus.
A person does not have such cells in adulthood. But the positive side is that 3 years ago there was a breakthrough in stem cell research. Three different laboratories have shown that it is possible to transform normal human skin cells through genetic engineering into a kind of stem cells. These are called induced stem cells. Is it possible to engineer a person or inject into his body stem cells that will restore worn out organs or create a new organ or at least the nerve cell that dies of old age in the brain.
However, it is worth noting that embryonic stem cells are dangerous without control. If we inject them just like that into the body, we will get cancerous tumors. We will therefore have to instruct them how to restore the body and create a new life. If we succeed - a life without death, without accidents and without diseases.
Finally Cezana asks some questions: are we allowed to play with human material (my answer is yes); How will society change as a result of human improvement (for the better) Is the Earth capable of dealing with immortality? Yes.

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  1. In my opinion, this is the thing that can save a lot of fools who suffered in their childhood and don't want their fetus to turn out like them,
    I am in favor of this option because it allows people to live life with the most joy and without worries about studies, wisdom, intelligence and in other words it reduces the population that is going to adopt a boy/girl.
    This patent creates a more relaxed and peaceful life.
    And of course there is a high financial stake here but there is nothing to be done because if you want something and especially if it is a child you are the one who has to take care of him/her and be committed to him/her for many years then you have to pay the price.
    In my opinion, this is one of the worthwhile things that the geneticists point out, it is one of the things that makes you think that there is still hope in life and that all is not lost!

    And once again I'm in favor and once again I'm in favor of making a baby/baby to order is one of the things that can reduce the sadness that involves many people.

  2. Knock knock:
    1. Do you really believe that progress and scientific innovation can be stopped - precisely, and especially - on this issue? Have they managed to stifle progress and scientific innovation in the past? Was there ever a principled justification or moral or practical benefit for such an attempt?
    2. Is it not better to try to regulate the issue in an intelligent way - from a moral, legal and practical point of view - to prevent the abuse of technologies for destructive purposes, in an underground and uncontrolled manner?
    3. In your opinion, is it not possible to regulate the issue in a way that prevents 'unfair advantage for the rich'?
    4. Is it not possible to regulate the issue in such a way that the innovations relate only to certain fields of objective value - and not to trivial fields, in a way that prevents the 'dilution of human diversity'?
    5. Why is it that in other issues - very important in the life of humanity - it is possible and realistic in practice to determine legal and practical arrangements that neutralize risks, and only in this issue should we not act in a logical and morally required manner, for some reason?

  3. I would also go for the second course, because of Dr. Levy-Nissenbaum. I was in his lectures and he is an excellent lecturer!

  4. for the holiday,
    I would have chosen the more scientific course, but it is a fascinating subject, from all its aspects.

  5. I just asked…
    Indeed a very interesting topic, with implications for our future.
    I received it as a gift from my school at the Magid Institute in Tel Aviv. I am debating between two courses that will deal with the subject in question. One from the ethical-philosophical direction, with one of the lecturers being Prof. Asa Kosher, and the other from the scientific direction, with the lecturer being an immunologist, Dr. Levy-Nissenbaum.
    Both aspects interest me but unfortunately, I will not be able to register for both courses.
    What aspect interests you? Or - which course would you sign up for? Thanks!

  6. In vitro fertilization is something that reduces the man's certainty as to whether the offspring born is indeed his, even more than the natural uncertainty. There were already stories about a doctor who inseminated sixty women (when he replaced the husband's sperm with his) who came to his clinic, until this was discovered.

  7. In order to prevent a substantial existential advantage for the rich, as I wrote in the comments, the patents on the genes must be canceled since they are the force behind the amounts required for treatment.
    But you must not take seriously all the "ethicists" who claim that light improves the human condition, everyone must die at age N if not from a natural disease then from poison or a bullet, indeed there are such people, this is the practical origin of Luddism expressed in the above responses,

    Projects such as the human genome project should be started in order to increase life expectancy in the world for everyone in 100 years and solve the problem in one fell swoop.

  8. I don't think it's worth making babies by order for spouses or babies for spouses in general,
    There are no people like Leon Cass and they will join the elites and make sure that there is a healthy replacement of the population with a little help from the government if you understand what I'm saying.

    If it is very difficult to predict what will be the fate of a genetically modified cell after it becomes a human, blessed is the believer that somatic gene therapy in adult humans, each individual tissue will be easier. After all, it is known that the problem is to inject a gene into each cell as they said. but predict its use.

  9. Even if you ban the use of a certain technology, it does not mean that they will not use it. Today there are treaties that prohibit the use of weapons of mass destruction, and this does not mean that there are no countries that threaten to use them (on the contrary). The same principle also applies to genetic engineering in humans - if a technology that allows various upgrades does exist, people will use it, and they won't care if it is forbidden or allowed.
    In exchange for money, a doctor will be found who will "improve" fetuses. Skilled lawyers will argue that ugliness is a disease and that an ugly fetus must be "improved". From here, the road is short for those who are tall, muscular, smart, etc.

    Eventually, the rich will have more power to do with as they please in this world. Unless we manage to take that power away from them first.

  10. No no and again no!
    I was finally convinced that humans should not be genetically enhanced after reading the book Beggars in Spain (by Nancy Keds)

    The main reasoning is that it would give an unfair advantage to the rich.
    Their children will be smarter, healthier, beautiful, tall, thin, etc.
    Now imagine that your son studies in a class with such a boy, that everything goes easily for him - studies, sports, girls... a perfect boy.
    How do you think your son will feel in front of him? In my opinion, it won't be long before hatred for them is created
    Since they will be exceptionally bright people, it will not be far today that they will reach positions of control in all areas of life - in business, government, academia, sports, etc.
    Those who are born without genetic modification will have no chance to compete with them, and will be condemned to a life of frustrating servitude
    Also, such changes will dilute the human diversity, because everyone will want tall, smart and sporty children, which will leave no room for short, stupid and fat ones.

    My compromise proposal is to ban genetic changes in the fetus.
    But, allow the selection of one embryo out of several. When this choice will be based only on health. That means they will choose embryos that do not have defective genes that cause diseases.
    Genetic tests will only be performed to detect diseases, and tests to determine intelligence, height, color, etc. will be prohibited.

  11. It turns out that the science of eugenics suddenly has hope and hope - after its rationale has been stifled, at least since World War II, by both communism and the liberal West.
    It turns out that the most significant key in the field is the genetic key, and it seems that the most powerful tool that has been visible for about three years - or at least one of the most powerful tools - is the subject of embryonic stem cells, the ways of their production and manipulation.

    Below are suggestions for answers to some of Michal Dekal's questions:

    "Is it appropriate to allow genetic intervention in embryos"?
    - It turns out that it will not be possible to stop such a trend. Instead of denying it in advance, and inviting underground scientific activity that will necessarily or at least with a high probability also be immoral, unrestrained, unsupervised and harmful - it is better to allow it in advance within certain limits and conditions.
    The conditions will be:
    A. The predicted effectiveness and possible consequences of the intervention will be investigated in a preliminary and extensive manner by the initiator of the intervention. A report on this will be submitted to the authorities mentioned in Section D below. The continuation of the project will be subject to a permit from the local authority.
    B. Any intervention will be carried out in stages. Initially, a small-scale pilot will be carried out. Later, a cooling-off period will be introduced to clarify the consequences of Louis. All stages of the intervention must be transparent and reported to the relevant local and international authorities in section D below. Only after a process of drawing conclusions and the necessary correction, will the authorities decide if and under what conditions the intervention in question will continue.
    C. Intervention and any discovery or development within the framework of an intervention - will be subject to due disclosure rules and unique intellectual property rules, the rationale of which will require that the accessibility and ability to use any approved development - be general, possible, reasonable and equal for everyone in the world. Otherwise, different species of Homo sapiens will be created in a short time, with the advantage going to those who had an initial economic scientific priority, or especially discounted coincidences.
    D. Intervention projects, processes and operations will be limited, conditioned and supervised by authorized government authorities whose actions will be carried out under the auspices of an international organization of the United Nations and in coordination and agreement with its organizations, according to binding international treaties and local legislation in each country that will incorporate them into local law in any case.

    "Is there a difference between curing a disease and improving a trait"?
    Apparently, yes. The process of improvement is a far-reaching process that confers substantial advantages and also involves substantial risks. Therefore, it is more by the international convention, the international organization and the governmental authorities in a limited way only, and will include - at least in the foreseeable future - only improvements in the areas whose advantages and positive value are indisputable. Improving intelligence (as opposed to purely physiological improvements), within predefined ranges - is such a field. Strengthening the immune system is also such an area. and so'. Negative improvement - will not be allowed.
    Any specific improvement will only be allowed after a licensing and supervision procedure in the general format used for intervention for a therapeutic purpose, although with stricter standards of utility and morality.

    "What should be the composition of the body that will draw the border?"
    - As mentioned - questions of this type are procedural questions that need to be resolved at an international and national institutional level, according to international conventions and legislation that will incorporate them into the local law of each country.
    The composition of the international bodies must be based on a proper balance between scientific experts and great thinkers, professional bureaucrats and legal experts, as well as senior statesmen. The policy of the bodies that shape the IDF norms is widely agreed upon. The discretion of the bodies that decide on any intervention - must be in the hands of bodies composed of expert judges who are assisted by scientists and people of thought and management - in the capacity of professional witnesses. The supervisory bodies must be expert managing scientists.
    There must be an efficient and effective system of international and national sanctions and adjudication against prohibited activity and deviations from what is permitted in the field of interventions and improvements.

    What is clear is that until international legislation is not made and any international organizations do not act at some level - it is quite problematic to carry out interventions, and in particular - there is a known danger from the activities of the Salvation Army.
    The issue as a whole calls for serious and energetic legal scientific political activity, and one hour earlier.

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