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Hydrogen bonds: researchers discovered a new mechanism

The wide distribution of water and the significant role it plays in sustaining life motivate scientists to a deep and detailed understanding of its properties at the microscopic level

Production of oxygen from water through electrolysis. Illustration (no relation to the study described in the article)
Production of oxygen from water through electrolysis. Illustration (no relation to the study described in the article)

The wide distribution of water and the significant role it plays in sustaining life motivate scientists to a deep and detailed understanding of its properties at the microscopic level. New research explains how water dissolves its internal hydroxide (OH-) anions. Revealing this behavior is important for advancing the understanding of the fields of aquatic chemistry and aquatic biology.

Through the use of the method of core-electron resonance spectroscopy, with a separation level of ten femtoseconds and the activation of synchrotron radiation coupled with a liquid microjet, the researchers discovered that the anions are able to contribute to the existence of hydrogen bonds with a water separator nearby.

This research disproves the classical mechanism, known as "proton-hole", which presents the hydroxide anion as being only able to "accept" a right-handed bond and not as being able to contribute to its existence. The weak hydrogen bond, originating from the hydroxide anion, is responsible for the unique pattern obtained in the electronic spectrum and is related to a unique energy transition (intermolecular Coulomb decay) between the oxygen atom of the hydroxide ion and a nearby water molecule. This is the first time such a process has been observed in an aqueous system.

To confirm that the results are indeed exclusively related to the weak hydrogen bonds of this type at such a level of separation, the research team conducted comparative experiments of the halide ions in water. The team found that chloride ion and fluoride ion do not exhibit this type of energy transition—results that validate current structural flutter models for the unusual movement of hydroxide ions in water. This study marks a step forward for understanding extremely fast dynamic processes in water and aqueous solutions.

The news in the journal Nature

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  1. One thing I don't understand, if you claim that the "proto-hole" theory is wrong, for those who don't know, it's basically the fact that the hydroxide anion is apparently an ion that takes a proton from its neighbor and in fact the proton is in a "hole" created by its being taken each time by another molecule,
    Why an experiment like taking the hydroxide ions, labeled with their oxygen atom, and putting them in a vessel with water, and testing the transfer of the ion between these two forms, and after evaporation, what kind of hydroxide ions will be obtained? And what is their percentage compared to the general percentage of all forms of hydroxide water in the system,
    In short, why do you need a crazy system to answer this issue..
    And if there is such a system, then what exactly does it do, how does it measure and what does it measure..

  2. Hanan
    Very simple. OH ions contribute something extra to the existence of the hydrogen-oxygen bond of a neighboring molecule.
    That is, there is a kind of inspiration between the oxygen atom of OH and the hydrogens associated with the neighboring H2O.
    The spectroscopy in question excites the bonding electron of the hydroxide into a state of resonance.
    and watching the way the wave decays. For this purpose, a separation of one thousand billionths of a second is required.

  3. Roy, you make too many assumptions about assumptions.

    I'm not denying that what you said may be true (although I wonder to myself if any of the NATURE editors understood the study), but your answer reminds me of the work of Professor Hwang Woo Seok from Korea, who was suspected of falsifying his work for years in the field of stem cells, without anyone coming forward About that, and if anyone came up with it, he didn't dare challenge the professor's name.

    Problematic studies on his behalf were published in Science, and I am convinced that there is also a strict editing, not to mention his studies that were supposed to be carried out by other researchers around the world.

    Below is a link to an article published on this website:
    https://www.hayadan.org.il/suk-resignes-251205/

    And I will not mention the in-depth study published a few years ago in a respected chemistry journal, on the danger of rain containing the dangerous substance "hydrogen dioxide", until it became clear that the entire study was neither created nor created, but was published on purpose in order to prove that fake studies can be planted in journals scientific.

    And I ask again -

    I admit and confess that, even though I have a degree in life and natural sciences, I did not understand a word of what was written in the above article. Maybe I need a more advanced description than simply a translator.

    Can someone explain in simple terms what the poet meant in the article?

    Hanan Sabat
    http://WWW.EURA.ORG.IL

  4. Gustav,

    1. The above news is based on an article published in one of the most important scientific journals, called Nature. Every article that enters such a journal undergoes a very strict review, so it is likely that the research behind it is serious.

    2. Odin's Hugin and Monin is philosophical, poetic and postmodernist. From time to time she also reacts in such a way that you can understand her.

  5. 1. I admit that I did not understand the list. On the other hand, a dim inner sense tells me that she is more serious and reliable than this one: http://spiritofmaat.com/archive/dec3/bveniste.htm
    (Am I right?)
    2. Nevertheless, for me "Hidan" is a new discovery and I am filled with initial enthusiasm. Just out of curiosity, tell me please, who is this "Hoggin and Monin of Odin" or something like that? Does he/she belong here?

  6. Gillian
    Pay attention to the NATURE source, it is quite suitable for the style of professionals in the field. Read the source and prove it.

  7. Why do I have the feeling that none of the commenters here, including Dr. Nachmani himself, understand at all what is written in the article? (Although no one admits this for obvious reasons) and why do I have an even clearer feeling that there is an excellent reason why no one understands the above , because it is a jumble of meaningless blown concepts and nothing else? I WONDER.

  8. The article said:

    "By using the method of core-electron resonance spectroscopy, with a separation level of ten femtoseconds and by activating synchrotron radiation in conjunction with a liquid microjet..."

    And I ask:

    Can the photointensive control in coupling to ionizing radiation of resonance-positive resonance from the two cores of the secondary interpulse electron, cause the excitation of a mesophotochemical bond of the fifth level in the ontological ion of dihydrogen oxygen ???

    In short - I admit and confess that a degree in biology does not help me to understand the stunning north of Pisca that was written in the article... Maybe there is a translation into Hebrew or Yiddish???

    Hanan Sabat
    http://WWW.EURA.ORG.IL

  9. Hah according to your method it is better to turn the website into a website from the Israel Defense Forces in collaboration with Amnon Yitzchak and Zamir Cohen. Good thing you don't

  10. A little more creativity, my father, and you can turn the site around
    Useful for addicts of all kinds: enter
    Statistical analyzes (and without a doubt scientific)
    On the chances of winning lotteries, synthesis options
    of drugs (recently even a drug addict can go
    not bad) of any kind... and a website for addicts will always sell
    Something...and will earn!!

  11. Michael Roy Tsezana
    I talked about a possible memory of the water which is partly based on these new findings.
    Other studies that have been done indicate long-range resonances in binding whole aggregates to such anions in various combinations that last a long time.

  12. to my people The only way to profit from the science website is to add one letter to its name. Then there will be a million advertisers each competing for the spot and paying a fortune.

    Guess where you should add the letter F?

  13. Free?
    A site with a circulation like the scientist needs to rethink how much it charges for the advertisements that are scattered on it. You would think that this excellent and successful website would be able to run its course and be able to finance an editor and reporters at one level or another.

    Shabbat Shalom,
    Ami Bachar

  14. Michael and Higgs,

    According to the article, it sounds like the reactions are too fast and dynamic to be preserved over tens of cycles of drug dilution. In any case, it will be interesting to follow the field and see how it develops.

    To- !,

    I agree that the articles would be more complete with links to Wikipedia, but translating / writing them and uploading them to the website takes more than enough time and effort. The editor of the site and the various writers work for free, on the side with pressing day jobs, and it is very difficult to find the time necessary for intensive editing of links to Wikipedia (if this is legal at all).

    If you would like to offer your help in editing articles and adding links, I'm sure my father would be happy to help you.

    Shabbat Shalom,

    Roy.

  15. Higgs:
    I'm just saying what the conclusions of the studies so far are.
    There were studies that found a positive effect, some that found a negative effect and some that did not find any effect.
    You yourself say that there is no scientific evidence in any direction. This is exactly what you would expect to find when there is no connection between homeopathic treatment and recovery.
    There is no scientific evidence in any direction regarding the connection between the bean aphids I eat and sunspots.
    Will it cause you, when they discover something about the beans, to write a sentence like "This discovery may confirm the claim of a positive correlation between the amount of beans Michael eats and sunspots"?

  16. Michael
    There's no point in being so sure. There is no scientific evidence either way. There is much evidence of a measurable effect of such drugs. There is no evidence.
    The fast processes you are talking about are in the test process when the same anions are excited at the resonance frequency.
    These weak hydrogen bonds have been known for several years. There are several esoteric uses that have been made in this field. There is not enough information yet to use this properly. As in any science, this is also the beginning of something.

  17. You see from the reflections of their hearts:
    What does homeopathy have to do with it?
    These are things that affect very fast processes - exactly the opposite of what is needed for the water to "remember" something over time.
    Besides, why should it be explained how homeopathy "works" if it has already been proven that it works no more than placebo?

  18. When I read the article, I also thought about the fact that they might eventually prove the validity of homeopathic medicine from an empirical scientific point of view.

  19. something
    At the moment it means nothing. In the future it is possible, for example, to prove that these relationships may "remember" for example to confirm the use of homeopathic medicine.
    In the manufacture of homeopathic medicines, a process of repeated dilution of the active ingredients is used. In such a way that not a single molecule of the active substance remains in the water. It is possible that these hydrogen bonds are sealed by something from this activity.

  20. I would be good if you do like in Wikipedia, every phrase or word that has its own value becomes a link to that value
    And from here it is possible to make this site contain a lot more depth than just translations of articles
    - without offending the editors who do sacred work

  21. Perhaps you will write articles that everyone can understand. Dr. Nachmani's wonderful articles are worded in a way that only scientists can understand and therefore the number of responses to his articles is accordingly

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