Her critical letter in the Australian program 60 Minutes, which was broadcast in June 2011, shows that she is self-taught and has her own interpretation of medical articles * In her youth she attended nursing school but never worked in the field * She is against any vaccination, and left the interview when they tried to confront her with parents whose children died of whooping cough
Viare Schiebner, the Austrian "expert" on vaccines, that Channel 2 published today Because the family members of the parents who are allegedly suspected by the police of having caused the death of their son by shaking and hitting his twin sister, want to bring her to Israel as an expert witness due to her claim that the fractures in the skull are a side effect of the routine vaccinations, she is not a doctor, and her education in medical research is self-taught. In an interview with the Australian program Sixty Minutes, Schievner admitted to the reporter that she was a nurse by training in the distant past. "I am a doctor of natural sciences. I took a nursing course when I was young, but I believe I know more than most doctors."
According to Wikipedia Schievner's doctorate is in the field of micro-paleontology (a branch of geology) and in the years 1958-1968 she was a professor in the geology department at Comenius University in Bratislava. Active in the field of vaccine resistance research, Schneier has written and lectured on the subject of vaccines and immunization since her retirement from the Department of Mineral Resources in the Government of New South Wales, Australia in 1987.
Wikipedia also states that a large number of doctors, scientists, legal experts and others have expressed sufficiency regarding her skills and her research ability. The entry includes Schivner's claims, but it also contains many links to critical articles about Schivner's activities and way of working.
In the 60 Minutes program that aired on June 10, 2011 on Channel 9 in Australia, Schievner was presented as the greatest authority on the anti-vaccine movement in Australia and around the world. According to her, she read thousands of scientific studies and came to the conclusion that vaccines are dangerous: "The best way to get vaccinated is to get through all the contagious childhood diseases," she says.
"Vaccines are dangerous and diseases are good?" asks the reporter. "exactly like that." Shivner answers.
In the video you see a seven-week-old baby who died of whooping cough, although it is impossible to vaccinate before the age of six months, but when there are too many unvaccinated children who should have been vaccinated, the babies get infected. (the crowd effect).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJbc9Xw3yHc
The article of the Australian Channel 9, June 10, 2011 about the vaccines
"We are not vaccinating children from trivial diseases but from diseases that may have a serious impact," said Prof. Peter McIntyre, director of a children's hospital who was interviewed for the program. According to him, "Parents who do not vaccinate are playing Russian roulette with their lives."
The anti-vaccine propaganda has permeated deep into Australian society. A mother who refused to vaccinate her children claims that the presence of mercury in the vaccine is dangerous, and her answer to the interviewer's question, "There is more mercury in a tuna sandwich," said the reporter, and the mother replied: "It depends on who you ask. If it is a pharmaceutical company that conducts the research, they must be releasing certain information to the market. And suggests to the interviewer who asks if this is a conspiracy, to ask who financed these studies."
Later, Sheivner was interviewed again and this time she defended the article by the British doctor Andrew Wakefield that was initially accepted for publication in the journal Lentz, which claimed that there is a connection between the triple vaccine and autism. Research that later turned out to be careless at best and the journal, in a particularly unusual move, removed it from its archives. Wikifeld's doctor's license was also revoked for another reason A state commission of inquiry in Great Britain concluded that he had falsified his research. This of course did not help, and in the English-speaking countries a strong movement of opposition to vaccines began, which doctors say has begun to charge prices.
Pediatrician Prof. Peter McIntyre claims in the film that as soon as such misinformation about the connection between vaccines and autism comes out, it takes on a life of its own because people try to find a cause for such a difficult phenomenon as autism that runs in their family. "But if it were true, if something was harmful, we would have been the first to shout and we would have stopped providing the dangerous treatment."
At the end of the interview, Shivner abandoned him in anger, due to the reporter's hint that children died as a result of the cessation of vaccination, and mainly hurt babies who cannot yet be vaccinated. "It's a farce" she said. "I'm not ready to accept any accusations from you or anyone else."
By the way, there was probably a mistake in the Channel 2 article when it said that Shivner tested a hundred thousand children. According to the figure on its official website, it has collected and studied over one hundred thousand pages of scientific articles on vaccination.
Since the afternoon hours, we have requested a response from Attorney Zion Amir, who represents the family and who, according to what has been said in the media, is related to Schivner's testimony in the case, but he did not respond, despite several e-mail and phone calls to his office. If a response is sent, it will be published in full.
A studio interview on the morning show in which Schneiber explains her claims against the vaccinators, but a doctor who confronted her in this video also contradicts her claims
Sources:
- The article on the Australian Channel 9 about the risks of vaccines
- Interview on the morning show
- Scheibner's official website
- Wikipedia entry
- The news on Channel 2 news
Previous articles on the science website that dealt with resistance to vaccines
- The BBC report states (among other things) that the attempt to ignore the connection between vaccines and autism causes exactly the opposite
- The cessation of vaccinations in Japan - why one should be careful of hasty conclusions
- A reference by the writer Simon Singh, author of the book "Cure or Temptation" to the subject of fear of vaccines
- Is it possible to hide in a herd?
- The Lannett Journal retracted the famous article linking vaccines to autism due to bad science
- Does the triple vaccine cause autism? A new study found just the opposite
- Statements made by the Minister of Economy in the Knesset's Economic Committee on the need for scientific editors in the news companies
- Vaccines, autism and scientific quackery
- Why is it so important to vaccinate?
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Host of the Universe:
Even an autodidact must somehow earn his trust.
If we content ourselves with the statement of man's self-taughtness, you will have to accept the conflicting opinions of every leper and leper.
This lady has no achievements in the field and the scientists oppose her words.
What reason is there to even listen to her words?!
Two comments for the debate:
1. Being against vaccinations when everyone else is getting vaccinated, this is anti-social behavior and absolute evil. Equally perhaps, it is similar to the one who refuses to enlist because of pacifism, when he knows that he will not be slaughtered at night, because all the others do enlist.
Why in one case does the state force and in the second case does not intervene? Can a country impose effective sanctions on those who refuse to be vaccinated. This is not unusual (there are countries that punish those who do not bother to vote in elections)
2. Rejecting Schievner's views solely because of a lack of education seems to be wrong. Can a person, even in these days, be self-taught. It is even possible that his mind is more balanced and has a wider worldview than someone who deals with a narrow topic all his life.
In a world of specializations, I see a self-taught person as a generally wiser person.
Well my father got it. Your site is your policy.
Although we have a complete disagreement on the subject
I have passed all the vaccinations, and I am an atheist and was recently diagnosed as autistic (asperger's syndrome), could it be related? Am I an atheist because of the vaccines? (;
It really reads that parents who don't understand much about medicine are carried away after anyone who waves his doctorate enough (even with him in geology), to the death of the children. In my opinion, it should be enforced just like child abuse.
We will start from the assumption that the vaccines do significantly reduce mortality
And due to their success accompanied by other medical services, there has been a significant increase in longevity (on average)
It is expected that the world's population, which is currently 7 billion, will reach 9 billion in 2050
Gentlemen, this means more air pollution, more hunger, more economic problems (also due to a relative decrease in the number of people of working age), more wars over water, food, territory, more viruses and violent resistant bacteria that have developed
More destruction of nature for more food more energy more places to live.
This is a complex picture, here the indicators of the future of humanity are not clear, perhaps there is no place for science but for philosophy
Did he warn with subtle irony the one who wrote and was the number of the children of Israel as the blue of the sea
Stress - personally, I would ban nicotine smoking, yes, a completely unnecessary practice. The decision that nicotine is fine and marijuana is not is completely arbitrary.. If they were to make an exchange between them at least it would be rational for making billions on a poor population so that it would kill itself.
Alcohol is similar, but since it can be made anywhere from vegetables and fruits, you can try to avoid it, in addition, when used in moderation, it is not harmful.
Kindergarten - you surely know that when the percentage of the unvaccinated increases, the rest are also in danger because diseases spread and can also reach children before the age of vaccination - they harm others as well
It is actually desirable for us that all these fools do not protect themselves and their families.
Thus the genes of their stupidity will disappear from the world.
I suggest everyone give up in advance trying to convince the opponents of vaccines. They usually believe in it like a religion and are too stupid to understand the claims or simply don't look for a logical explanation.
The only way to deal with such stupidity is to wait for it to choke itself and disappear.
The vaccination thing is interesting.
A. It shouldn't be really difficult to check whether among vaccinated children there is a higher incidence of autism and other diseases.
B. Even if there is a higher incidence of developmental diseases, etc., the question still remains as to what causes more damage:
The damage from the vaccines or the diseases it prevents.
third. If there is damage as a result of the vaccinations (which raises a certain ethical question), I recall a study on social networks that shows that in practice only a certain percentage of the population can be vaccinated to obtain the same protection rate as obtained from vaccination of the entire population.
It's time for some good plague to thin the herd…..one of the sailors of the apocalypse is bored.
Father, you are right!
I didn't read to the end and was more dragged to respond
The freedom to decide, if it saves babies
So you have to protect them, and if it is proven then also help
by law if necessary.
As for graduates with all the information at their disposal, they will choose their own path.
Good night
You can play with your body all you want, but you cannot, as the doctor quoted in the article said, play Russian roulette with the life of a baby.
glacial:
I understand but would you equally ban smoking cigarettes? There is nothing in that
Something that is beneficial for the body or the environment, but there are those who will say that it is beneficial for their soul.
You need a little more balance sometimes, but you can't force vaccination because on the other hand
You can argue that it's forging and 1001 other reasons.
People need to make a choice and know the real consequences.
Just an example: I had to take antibiotics on a doctor's order, I decided (and I'm not a doctor) not to
to use it because I researched a little more and according to the symptoms and condition and familiarity with my body
that it is not necessary.
I'm not saying I did the right thing but permission granted
If there was no unanimous opinion, that's one thing - but show me the scientists and doctors in question who question the safety of the immunity - the "doctor" is a doctor of geology.. equally she was a doctor of linguistics..
Interestingly, although the contribution of vaccines in preventing infant mortality is not in doubt
According to the best of my understanding, by the medical professionals, quite a number of families avoid vaccinating the
their children out of fear that they will be harmed by the vaccine itself.
I don't think it's ignorance or stupidity, it's possible due to the very serious failures there were
In the past, when treatment with tested and approved drugs harmed the patients' health.
Should the state impose vaccinations? This is indeed a difficult question, after all, it is responsible
for the safety of the individual. Perhaps among the scientists and doctors in the public health system
There is no unified opinion regarding the level of safety of vaccines in the present and the extent of their impact on health in the future.
Why - not all freedom is good. I will start with demography. There are places where the state should intervene - if a person was calling for people to murder their children you would of course call for him to be banned, but when he calls for denying children treatment that will prevent some of them from dying, is that okay? It is indeed a more hidden connection, but the deaths happen just as much and perhaps their quantity is greater.
The freedom to incite and the freedom of the beggar to sleep under the bridge or the freedom of people's ignorance that allows children to die for no reason are not particularly pleasant freedoms
At least they have the freedom to learn and find out for themselves what is good and what is not...
Investigate in depth and decide
Come on.. my people who don't know how to dot.. , "another truth" (where the truth is, it's not exactly clear) and the other trolls. Waiting for you another worthless thread.
What awaits us this time? Implanting surveillance chips under the pretext of vaccination?
Mind control?
Or maybe this time we finally have a new idea waiting for us with support or at least that meets the criteria of refutation.
And... may fire.
And the most annoying thing is that the TV channels continue, even though I contacted them, to treat Schievner as an expert. Science is not their strong suit, to say the least, and therefore all the ignorance that prevails in the country. My fear is that this attitude will encourage the opponents of vaccines and cause parents not to vaccinate their children, and the result will be sad.
no no no! it's all a lie
Autism is because the parents believe in the flying spaghetti monster! Only Vishnu will save us, onward science!