SETI@home needs an increase in computing power due to an improvement in the reception of radio signals from space 500 times to a rate of 100 terabytes per year
The long-standing search for radio signals from alien civilizations is gaining new momentum and the ability to produce new data thanks to an upgrade at the radio telescope in Arecibo, which means that the SETI@home project, whose center is at the University of California at Berkeley, will now require more computers to help analyze the data.
Since the beginning of the SETI@home project, eight years ago, five million have been interested in donating computer time and turned the computer into the largest internet grid project - 170 thousand active volunteers who provided 320 thousand computers.
Recently, more sensitive sensors were installed on the largest radio telescope in the world - Arecibo in Puerto Rico, and the frequency coverage was also improved and the project makes it possible to collect 500 times more data than before. The software at the base of the SETI@home system has been upgraded to deal with the new sea of data and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence has entered a new era and can offer new opportunities to all those who want to help discover other civilizations in the universe.
"The next generation of SETI@home is 500 times more powerful than anything anyone has done so far," said the project's chief scientist, Dan Wertheimer. "This means that we have a 500 times greater chance of finding ET than in the original SETI@home project."
According to Eric Korpela, also a scientist in the project, 300 gigabytes of data are collected every day, or 100 terabytes in an annual calculation, roughly the amount of information stored in the Library of Congress in the US. "This is why we need all the volunteers we can get." said. "Everyone now has the opportunity to take part in the largest joint scientific project in history."
The telescope, whose plate diameter is 300 meters, fills an entire valley in Puerto Rico and is part of the Astronomy and Ionosphere Center operated by Cornell University with partial funding from the National Science Foundation. Since 1992, Wertheimer and his team have been hitching a ride on the radio astronomy observations already being made at Arecibo to try to record signals from space and analyze them for patterns that could indicate they were transmitted by an intelligent civilization.
When the staff members saw that the information they had collected was too much to be analyzed, they managed to convince them to establish a distributed computing project in order to utilize the free processing time of as many computers as possible and actually turn them into a sort of giant supercomputer for the purposes of the analyses. Since the beginning of the idea, distributed computing projects have arisen that seek to advance research starting from folding@home designed to predict the three-dimensional structures of proteins to the latest cosmology@home project designed to build a model of possible universes. Most of them work on a platform known as BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing), which was developed by SETI@home director David Anderson so that the various projects can share resources. "We now have 42 projects running on BOINC and so far, we've had enough computing power," said Wertheimer.
What drove the new flow of data was the addition of seven new receivers at Arecibo, allowing the telescope to record more radio signals from seven regions of the sky simultaneously instead of just one. In addition, these sensors are more sensitive and can detect the polarization of radio signals and 40 times more frequencies, and Arecibo is now able to scan the sky for new radio sources. These upgrades also make it possible to improve the ability to locate intelligent signals from space. According to Wertheimer, the additional sensitivity will make it possible to better filter out disturbances from Earth disguised as signals from space. Wertheimer says that although Berkeley has been trying to analyze radio signals from space since 1978 from a variety of telescopes, so far no signal from an alien civilization has been detected. "The citizens have just started to look at new frequencies in the sky, we are only looking at the bright sources and also hope that we are scanning the right radio channels" he said. "The good news is that we are entering an era where we can scan billions of channels. Arisbo is now Opimali for this kind of searches and if the signals are transmitted, we or the volunteers will detect them.
The SETI@home project has been funded over the years by many entities including the Planetary Society and the Sun Microsystems company and it continues to operate from private donations, some of them from volunteers in addition to the donation of computer time.
A million years of searching and still no signal from extraterrestrial intelligence has been found
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Guys I've had the latest version of BOINC for a long time now just notice one computing bug you're forgetting you're forgetting physicist Frank Drake's formula. It appears in the book written by Timothy Ferris "Beyond the Limits of Consciousness" and the late Carl Sagan also spoke about this formula a lot. He talked about it in his series Cosmos and this was also one of the purposes of the Voyager and Pioneer spacecraft having messages from Earth intended for alien civilizations. He also talked about it in the books he wrote. By the way, the physicist Frank Drake talked about the fact that certain civilizations will destroy themselves using nuclear weapons. SETI is not a waste, on the contrary, if the physical principles are the same regarding the universe, it is likely that there will be other civilizations. And the technology is advancing and already today you can see that solar systems and planets is not a rare thing. The National Geographic channel has a series that simulates stars where life will be found and what life forms will be found there. NASA is currently building the telescope that will replace the Hubble Space Telescope. And about Stargate? I love the series regardless. And like Star Trek, thanks to Star Trek you have a cell phone...
Have you ever thought about it????
Life has already been found in the universe and Seti is just throwing money away. The proof is in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, in a project called Stargate.
So what Michael... are you something like Baron Michenhausen? Because I still don't see your degrees listed on the screen and nothing from your work that is not related to gossip on the net!
You are portrayed more as a demagogue in Grosh who is mainly an expert in manipulating other people's words!
Nor did I see any original idea of yours, but only a mockery of other people's ideas. Shame on you if this is what you want to achieve in life!
To a point:
If they read Peretz's words they will die (laughing)
I must add in this context that about 15 years ago, an announcement was made on behalf of a road safety committee or similar headed by Judge Dov Levin that after a comprehensive examination they came to the conclusion that the main culprit in road accidents is...can you guess? Yes, the Israeli driver!!
And after a personal test using my methods that lasted about an hour (including coffee) and soon you will also know what kind of "test" it was! I came to almost the opposite conclusion and that is that the main culprit is the government and the local government and the driver is maybe 5% to blame!!
And something like two years ago, the "experts" also came to the conclusion that the Israeli driver is not guilty!!
What did I base my conclusion on? I simply asked myself if the driver does not "obey" the traffic signs as the committee listed as one of the reasons, who is actually to blame? And my answer is that the government is responsible for the fact that the driver will obey!! Second, how many of the drivers disobeyed the traffic signs? More than 5%? Not sure otherwise the number of accidents would increase...many of the signs are unclear or not confusing, on the subject of the "crazy" detours, how many of these do you come across every day? More than 5%? I doubt it, in the matter of the tired truck drivers, who is to blame? And taxi drivers who stop in prohibited places, who is to blame? And more and more..on the topic of illegal parking which also has an indirect effect on driving in the context of disrespecting one law will lead to disrespecting another law..I checked several streets in Tel Aviv and it turned out that the percentage of illegal parking is also approaching the 5% limits!! And they are the ones who park in crosswalks and on corners or in illegal double parking, even though at first glance it can look different!
No matter how you look at it, everything leads the blame to the government, which has the authority and the tools to create the right order that will reduce road accidents! And yet the committee decided to blame the driver as if the members of the committee are a collection of cowards who do not check findings and feed on the steam of the average Israeli who also decided that the Israeli driver is to blame because someone cut him off or some other reason!
It is important to emphasize that many solutions were based on this, most of them in the field of advertising (having nothing to do with reality) that would explain to the driver his great guilt, and from the side the government continued to smile without any guilt!
To Michael
I received your comment regarding the accuracy, even though it was precisely with Cezana that a matter of wording immediately stood out to me! And if for you accuracy is related to telling the truth!?, you wrote "that precisely because of this quality he also allows himself to write about any topic in response to every article, even though there is no connection between the things, because after all, according to it, nothing will be judged,"... and more narrowly, "to write about every topic in response to every article article" and if you weren't accurate, then you lied? It's very, very easy to check that I didn't respond to every article. You and the other commenters are invited to check this simple fact!! Beyond that, do you also include congratulations like in the case of Julia Kempe who won first place in a European science competition? I estimate that I responded about ten Subjects (repeated) that I had nothing to say about them because I often had one or another touch on them over the years!
And if we go back to science for a moment when I wrote Tobi "Scientists" of course it is attributed to you as someone who sees in science the vision of everything, but beyond that I made a commitment (and not only in living room talks on Fridays) and if someone lifts the glove I will be ready to detail what and how... but the most important thing is that despite the perception Today's science looks like most of its main points actually developed outside of "science"!
Einstein and Newton developed their scientific concepts when they were outside the world of science and like them many other lesser known names such as Fermi who taught professors in Italy about the theory of relativity at the age of 21!! And when Einstein "became" a recognized scientist, he contributed very little to science like Newton, who by the way really did not tolerate the scientific community of London!
Thus, the so-called scientific discipline was largely developed outside of it! And presenting it in a different way (if we are talking about accuracy) is false, as if science developed within the walls of universities and under heavy degrees!
As for behavior settings, I don't know who you meant, I remember two and are definitely familiar to you, which were probably more accurate than I appreciated at the time! By the way, it didn't go unnoticed because you didn't answer my question about your degrees and your scientific work... should I understand that you don't have any?
For anyone interested, we have a set processing group on their website, we would be happy to receive joiners 🙂 :
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=42768
Let the aliens live
Is there life on other planets, are there aliens in other solar systems if so how many civilizations exist in our galaxy?
We do not have answers to these questions and the whole subject is subject to speculation and everyone can give their positions based on all kinds of speculations and calculations.
Those who think that their hypothesis justifies the continuation of the SETI program (in the electromagnetic frequency spectrum, I don't know if they are also looking for laser communication)
No problem.
Even those who think that alien broadcasts will not be picked up based on their assumptions are right.
Why new:
I think we exhausted the matter.
Of course when I talked about how radar covers the whole sky it does so with a beam that scans it.
I didn't think the topic of the discussion was radar and the fact that you went into details here shows that you no longer have anything to add.
you will worry I don't have one either, but if you already talked about 360 degrees, of course you weren't precise because 360 degrees only covers a plane and not the whole sky while the radar really scans the whole sky (and there are a lot of such devices).
Voyager's transmission power is relatively small, that's why a large array of antennas is needed to receive it, each radio station itself transmits much higher. Besides, we have no idea what the technological means are at the disposal of extraterrestrial civilizations.
I don't understand what you are trying to argue with the five billion years. If you want to say now that there is no agreement on the number of civilizations it is only because everyone is stupid and does not come to see your calculations then please - explain all your knowledge on the subject so that it can be criticized. Waving in five billion years cannot impress anyone any more than I expect you to be impressed by the fact that the Milky Way alone has four hundred billion stars and that the total number of galaxies exceeds one hundred billion.
In conclusion, I think we have made our point.
You wouldn't invest in it. OK. You got it over your head and the project will continue to run because there are enough people who think otherwise.
to hack:
The word "to be accurate" is somehow related to telling the truth. Maybe it's my private insanity because you claim that there is a gathering of truths, but just to please my private insanity, I'll point out that before my first response from 13:09 p.m. on the fourth of the month of Czesna, he didn't respond at all and in this response, already in the fifth line (including the line referring to you) it says as follows: "The assumption / The hope of those behind the project is that advanced populations use/have used radio transmissions for their needs and that there is some chance that these signals will be picked up."
In the continuation of the same response, I even explained that there is no logic in broadcasting for long-distance communication purposes that make the conversation irrelevant because of the time periods it takes for the transmitter to go from side to side.
Don't get me wrong. I am sure that Roy Cezana would have said the same thing if he had answered at this point in time because he is also a reasonable person, but I will not go all the way with you. I won't lie to be "accurate"
I will not continue the analysis of what you said.
They seem wrong and uninteresting to me and as I said, I'm not interested in exhausting you.
I will only point out that your pretense of being smarter than all the scientists and your expectation that they take an example from "how you would do" and how "you usually do things" shows who here really thinks he is the center of the world (who precisely because of this feature also allows himself to write about any topic in response to every article even though there is no connection Among the things, because after all, there was already someone, I can't remember his name at the moment, who defined your behavior in a more concise and effective way than I did)
Michael
Let's be precise, it was Cezana who mentioned transmissions within the galaxy that might be received but the chances of that tend to be zero!
Regarding what I wrote in my first response (the one you made sure to tattoo and do an indecent act with it in public), this is called a reassessment and it is reasonable when over 30 years have passed since the time when they started "listening" to intelligent signals from outer space (maybe they should look for such signals here first!), I would do Such an evaluation every year and I don't remember that this is what they do before they continue with their heads in the wall of infinite space when they only increase the power of reception and increase the amount of information to be processed hundreds of times!
I work differently and I am sure that this is the faster approach and it is by thinking and re-evaluating and increasing the chances in any way including directions that were not thought of before!
And so that you don't claim that I need to do something before I respond (an argument that is essentially absurd of course - you built spaceships and telescopes and you have dozens of projects behind you to respond here?)
I pledge to solve the nuclear fusion problem within 6 years with a budget of one billion dollars!!
I pledge to solve the crime problem in Israel within a year with the same budget as today.
undertakes to reduce the amount of traffic accidents to a third within 3 years.
But I will go further with you than that, I will take a problem that the best of your scientists have dealt with without success so far, the problem of the Qassems.. I undertake within a year to build a system that will not allow any Qassem to reach the territory of Israel!!
Do you want to catch me at my word? Get a budget or an invitation to one of the appropriate bodies and then the burden of proof is on me!
On the other hand, I invite you to propose any project that you can carry out and I promise to do everything in my power to get you a budget!
This is how we will move from the phase of talking to the phase of actions because you are not particularly impressed by the speech of others and in your "answers" you often manipulate other reactions and attribute different intentions to them..but let's leave it small for us!
And one more small thing, educate us on your degrees because I did not find any information about you in the academic institutions in Israel (6 of them), and in your practice so far so that we know who we are talking to.
To Michael
"Radar is not focused on one point - it covers the whole sky."
Radar sends a beam or a beam of modulated electromagnetic waves, if it didn't do that then it wouldn't find the position of bodies in space, of course a radar beam can rotate
In 360 degrees. It is not aimed at the stars usually, but there is an overflow into space
"Earth-based radar devices are even used to penetrate the atmospheres of other planets."
True, but the use is not continuous because of the problem of position synchronization and relative movement between the planets.
The Voyager 1 spacecraft is 14 light hours away and in order to receive it they use an array of large antennas on the surface of the Earth when the direction of the spacecraft in space is known
And the reception is very weak.
Is it possible to receive from a distance of about 100 light years with the same or more power that the spacecraft transmits (300W).
It is true that the number of civilizations in the galaxy is speculative today, but if we take the Earth as an example, then 5 billion years passed until a civilization began to communicate, so it is true that it
A single example, but you can definitely use this as a scale.
"By the way, the SETI budget commissioner doesn't read the science and you have to find another way to advise him."
A strange stupid sentence and not relevant, I was just expressing my private opinion.
"If there is something that the site does do on this issue, it is to create public opinion and this may eventually influence it, but this type of influence is a powerful influence. Here you can no longer claim that you are advising"
Once again in this forum everyone can express their private opinion on any subject even if it is not comfortable for you.
In conclusion, I did not express a blanket objection to the SETI program
And I hope they will pick up foreign broadcasts during my lifetime
I don't understand what all the debate is about….
We are Jews, we want to find other civilizations so that we have something to take over after we take over the earth
Of course, the Gentiles must not know this.
Why new:
The leakage of broadcasts continues and will continue and is greater today than ever before.
Just think about radar.
Keep in mind:
Radar is not focused on one point - it covers the whole sky.
Radar does not stop in the atmosphere and they will never be able to use radar that is returned from a layer in the atmosphere because they want its return to indicate threat inventions.
These two features of the radar will be preserved in any future version of it because otherwise it will not fulfill its role.
Radar devices on Earth are even used to penetrate the atmospheres of other planets.
The ability of alien civilizations to receive transmissions is not limited by our capabilities today.
It is quite possible that they have the ability to receive much weaker transmissions.
Anyone can use whatever number they want when telling what they don't know about the number of civilizations.
As you said, science does not know the answer and there is no accepted assessment in the field, so basing someone on your assessment would be nonsense.
My words on the topic of investing money were also intended for others who spoke on the subject. I assure you, by the way, that the SETI budget commissioner does not read the science and you need to find another way to advise him.
If there is something that the site does do in this regard, it is to create public opinion and this may eventually influence it, but this kind of influence is a powerful influence. Here you can no longer claim to be advising.
To Michael
"I believe the number of technological civilizations in our galaxy is extremely low"
"And I say - so you said!
Should scientific research be directed according to your beliefs?"
First, there is no scientific standard regarding the number of technological civilizations, so anyone can determine as they wish
Second, it seems that you are confused, I do not distribute funds for scientific research
I'm just giving my personal opinion.
"In general, it seems strange to me that people allow themselves to tell others what to spend their money on"
If she had read exactly what I wrote she would not have written this sentence.
I wrote "It's a shame for the investments on this issue" I have the right to think so
This is my personal opinion, but everyone can do as they wish with their money.
If there are only a few dozen civilizations that broadcast
And if we take the size of the galaxy then the distances on average between the civilizations are thousands of light years so that even if we try to receive transmissions we will not succeed because the power is low enough
Regarding investing money on the subject, I said it was a shame to invest, but everyone could do as they wished.
Nevertheless, I hope that aliens will be taken in during my lifetime.
To Michael
Most of the transmissions that continued into space were in the UHF frequency range and higher than the television transmitters in the past that transmitted a lot of information to aliens
And if I don't do it, stop
The radio transmissions are in the low VHF range which are largely placed in the direction of space.
The transmissions of the cell phone relay stations are of relatively low power so their leakage is very low
Therefore, the television broadcasts in the past were one of the important factors
to leak transmissions into space.
I'm not saying that there is no more leakage, but as the transmission devices become more sophisticated, they are more focused and the leakage will decrease.
Another thing why new:
This whole weird part of the discussion started with your statement that for some reason we haven't responded to it yet.
you said:
"I believe the number of technological civilizations in our galaxy is extremely low"
And I say - so you said!
Should scientific research be directed according to your beliefs?
In general, it seems strange to me that people allow themselves to tell others what to spend their money on.
Why new:
Encryption is not relevant at all.
When trying to find out that there are broadcasts, you don't have to decipher their content.
If you talked about the encryption because it is so important for you to actually see the program I was talking about, then you can relax on this matter as well because most of the codes are deciphered in the end.
Most of our communication is not intended for satellites, so the question of how exactly the communication with the satellites will be carried out is really not important.
Will there be a radio in the car? will be!
Mobile phone will be? will be!
Will these be able to work with wires or with a laser? Never!
What's new,
Even if the 'leaks' in the broadcasts are closed, there will still be broadcasts that can be received, if we rely on the human model. There will always be unofficial, amateur broadcasts, from other systems, etc.
If we do not rely on the human model, then we can assume that these extraterrestrial civilizations think differently. In this case, they may not want to hide their broadcasts at all.
In short, one can continue to make assumptions and more assumptions, some of which point against the search and some in favor of the search. But even if the chance is close to zero, the return in this case is so great that I believe it is worth investing time and money in it - especially since the vast majority of the money comes from private entities.
To Michael
Already in our day there is a trend of encrypting information, for example satellite communication, the TV converter box is also a type of encryption, so the trend will increase in the coming years
I believe that in the future when our spaceships move through the solar system they will prefer focused communication also to save energy.
Therefore, there is a window of about a hundred years to receive alien transmissions until they close the leakage of transmission into space.
If there are dozens of civilizations in the galaxy, let's say you arose from them
If they settle on other stars, the chance of receiving a transmission from them is close to zero.
Does anyone know why the universities in Israel don't install BOINC on their computers and help with the effort in important projects like SETI?
As far as I know it is also possible to create independent projects based on BOINC that can promote the needs of researchers in universities. In any case, most of the time the computers are on and not active.
to hack:
I remember you said something.
Although this something has already been answered in the original text, but I will repeat it because I understand that you did not read it at all.
When the aliens (if they exist) broadcast for their own benefit (eg their Neutron Star is Born program) they don't have any problem of distance.
When we absorb their plan it will happen many years later but what is the problem? They didn't broadcast it to us at all and it doesn't bother us that they broadcast it many years ago (by the way, the age of the program we hear will be exactly the age of the star we see, or in other words, if we have strong enough binoculars (and we won't) and if the program is broadcast from an open place and from the side of the star that is facing us, we can see it "from above" through the binoculars and from the front through the TV at the same time).
That's it from the broadcast studio in the center of the world.
I return the broadcast to the remote fringes.
to hack:
I have no intention of exhausting either you or myself, so I will not argue with you (what's more, apart from the accusations and a stupid attempt to analyze my character, you didn't say anything, so there's nothing to argue with)
Why new:
And if the media is not like that?
We, for example, have never acted that way.
We started transmitting wirelessly even before we thought about the possibility that aliens would discover us through these transmissions and even today we continue to do so and I am sure you do not want it to stop (and you will be forced to give up a significant part of your quality of life).
What reason do you have to think aliens would behave differently?
a question
If the communication in the alien star is wired or in very short waves so that there is no electromagnetic leakage into space.
And the communication between the spaceships is done using a laser so that the information is encrypted so the chance of picking up transmissions from them is close to zero.
Obviously they wouldn't want a transmission leak reaching other civilizations.
If this is true then it's a shame to invest in this issue.
Mr Peretz,
Even if extraterrestrial civilizations are too far away to affect us, we can still benefit enormously from their transmissions. Imagine what would happen if we could receive all the transmissions that a certain external civilization sent between itself. Those broadcasts will include information about its technology, its culture, its biology, and so on.
Even if we never encounter those aliens, the reception of their transmissions can jump technology (and maybe also political science and sociology) several steps forward. All this, without them even knowing about our existence, among other things because it was probably thousands of years before the broadcasts reached our area.
to point of view,
As Michael pointed out, we can recognize order, because that is what we know. We also know that it is possible to transmit by electromagnetic means, again because that is what we know. There is no doubt that extraterrestrials may have far more advanced technology than ours, but that doesn't change the fact that we can only try to find what we recognize. At least this is a real attempt to find life in other worlds.
Is it better to sit back and do nothing, simply because those aliens may have a different way of thinking and a completely different technology?
Not in my opinion.
To Michael
If focusing on signals transmitted between civilizations is meaningless because of their distance from us as you say, then focusing on free signals in space makes more sense?
Regarding the exhaustion in the comments ..isn't that what you do?
Please note that in my response there is a part that warns against petrification or fixation on one direction, therefore I tried to refresh the thinking even if "scientists are engaged" in this, there is a feeling that not only do you think we are at the center of the world, but that you yourself are the center of the world, and only your assessments and assumptions are correct, etc.
Wear perfume if it makes you feel good, just don't expect everyone to feel the same way or that this is the reality.
for a point of view
Many things are possible.
It is possible, for example, that I do not exist except as a hallucination in your mind.
Will that make you not answer me?
Would you not use radar and every means of detection at your disposal just because the enemy might have opened a stealth plane that eludes all these means?
come on….
Waste of time and money but maybe provides jobs for people who need it. The idea of checking order between the radio waves is based on the private point of view of those who define what is considered meaningful patterns. However, meanings and order may be defined in a completely different way in other planets. What's more, it's possible that their communication works in a completely different way, that is, not by electromagnetic means, as the project people assume.
I believe the number of technological civilizations in our galaxy is in the low tens or a few with vast dispersion
Across the galaxy but not necessarily.
If we look at a period of 5 billion years of the earth
So in the last fraction of a second a technological civilization was born
one and only.
If we send it out into the galaxy then its rarity is obvious.
Any alien civilization will want to protect itself from civilizations on other planets like those who protect their patents.
From other companies.
Therefore, I believe that encrypted laser communication will be used in space and not the broad spectrum of electromagnetic waves.
It is known that we send information about our place and our culture into space in a large number of tipshots (the Voyager radio telescope spacecraft in Arecibo) and this could take revenge on us in hundreds or thousands of years if and when aliens arrive on the threshold of the earth.
If we look at human civilization we can see that empires rose and fell, the common thing for all of them was robbery and looting of the countries under their control.
In addition, human civilization has thinned out and exterminated some of the animals on earth, for example the Japanese are a quiet and peace-loving culture
But she doesn't stop hunting whales, which is an extinct species.
In addition, all the developed and developing countries steal from the natural resources, pollute and contribute to the greenhouse effect.
In conclusion, if aliens from the universe come to Earth, it is more than likely that they will circumvent their interests with violence and even to the point of our complete destruction.
Shaul Bar Ilan:
I'm just mentioning the topic of discussion which is the SETI project and not Voyager.
I guess whoever discovers these spaceships will realize that we exist even without the data sent in them.
Anyway, no link needed because I know the story.
I also know about broadcasts that were made. I don't think it was wise even though the distances, as we know, are enormous and it is hard to assume that someone who is able to cross them would not know of our existence anyway (as a result of the broadcasts we transmit to each other).
All scientific investigation is a gamble on resources.
Space exploration has already brought many outputs that were not planned at all and I assume it will continue to happen.
The SETI project, for example, contributes a lot to the development of methods for distributed computing and the reception of information from outer space in general (who knows - maybe thanks to it humanity will be able to be partially saved from some supernova event by detecting it early and allowing people to migrate to the "shadowy" part of the earth before the particles arrive the deadly).
Therefore, even if you think it is not important that we know if there are extraterrestrials (and I actually think it is important that we know this) there is still justification for the project.
In contrast to scientific research, by the way, the waste of public money on religious institutions and the waste of manpower resources on its studies instead of on scientific studies and a contribution to the economy and security, is worthless.
To Michael:
To the best of my knowledge: on both Voyager spacecraft (and on what was sent before it) plates were affixed with basic information about the double helix Earth and the human race in the hope that one day someone will find them and know where they came from. That is, there were active inquiries.
In the sixties there were also signal transmissions into space. Give me an extension and I'll find the relevant links. The transmissions were towards the star Bernard which is considered - to this day - the closest star to us for the Milky Way.
It doesn't matter at all if it's passive or active: from the moment it consumes resources it has to be justified, and it's not at all clear to me why the extra civilization wants wars that we have to defend against?? Maybe only our human nature is capricious and aggressive while they are peaceful and sing sixties songs all day long.
I am exempt from commenting on the ramblings with a lot of words and little content that was put up just for the sake of teasing.
to hack:
I'm just trying to answer your questions and not get into more arguments whose only purpose is exhaustion.
No one believes that someone sends a signal to space especially for us. The assumption/hope behind the project is that advanced populations use/have used radio transmissions for their needs and that there is some chance that these signals will be received. It is possible that these populations will send special signals to communicate with someone who is extraterrestrial for them but it is more likely that they do this for other needs.
In my opinion, it is not wise - on the part of any population - to make an effort to find out about its existence because it is quite dangerous. It is enough to see how we treat animals to understand how extraterrestrials who are more advanced than us might treat us and I assume that the line of thought of extraterrestrials - if they exist - is similar: they will not send signals whose job it is to inform the universe: "We are here".
As stated in the article, the attention is focused on the brighter places because these are the directions where there is a greater chance of finding stars and planets. It was also noted that they try to absorb as wide a spectrum as possible.
In other words, they didn't need your advice to understand the obvious and even wrote it in the article.
The advice to focus on signals intended to link other civilizations is meaningless because there are no other civilizations in our immediate vicinity and the signals we receive will therefore be ones that were broadcast many years ago. It is unlikely that anyone would try to talk to someone else in a conversation where each party has to wait decades for the signal they transmit to reach the other party and another decades for a reply. Beyond that, since they try to absorb everything possible, they will probably also absorb something like this if there is one.
As for your advice to try to find out if there is a method of communication that we don't know about, that's just weird advice. Always trying to find out everything possible. We cannot receive communication that takes place in a technology that is not familiar to us, and even the most decisive decision will not mean that we will suddenly be able to. Discovery has to come first. This reminds me of your response in one of the previous discussions when you said that teleportation that destroys the source is "exactly what you were against". You must understand that the only way to "go against something" in science and technology is not to preach against it but to find something better and that is what all scientists and inventors, all the time, are trying to do. This is all that motivates them and there is no need to preach to them to do so. The only way you can contribute to the progress of the matter is to study the relevant material and try to invent or discover something yourself.
Shaul Bar Ilan:
In the meantime, we are just looking for the next civilization. This is done in a completely passive way (only receiving signals and not transmitting them). Burying the head in the sand and ignoring its existence (if it exists) can only be harmful because we cannot prevent it from discovering us and if we bury our head in the sand they may separate it from our body before we pull it out.
Science is interested in discovering the facts and it is clear that people like you will continue to hold to their religion despite all the discoveries that contradict it just as they continue to hold to it despite all the discoveries that have already contradicted it.
Did it help us find out that Pi is not a triangle?
Did it help us to discover that the rabbit does not live?
Did it help us to discover that the trachea of the cow does not split into three parts, one of which goes to the liver?
You will be surprised: the answer is yes! It didn't help us convince people who think they decided to ignore reality, but at least, those who didn't make such a decision have something to do with the discoveries of science.
I forgot to add:
My knowledge of cinema is not comprehensive enough, but I think that one of the ways in which the film ET is revolutionary is in the reversal of the concept that was dominant until then: since the days of Orson Welles and the first production of the film 'War of the Worlds' (the one from the fifties - I think - with the music from the synthesizers; not its remake which came out about two years ago), it was common to think that the extraterrestrial civilizations would be a threat to us, if they made contact with us, whereas in Spielberg's film the roles are reversed: the extraterrestrials are indeed more intelligent than us, but the bad guys in the film are the humans.
He is what I said: either the aliens will be less moral than us or they will be more moral. It is not at all certain that more than contact with them will be harmful or beneficial.
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With your permission, I bring a link to a well-made video clip that explains something in the nature of a revolution on the Earth's beams. Go:
for a YouTube movie
Maybe someone will explain to me once and for all, what are the benefits that should grow for us from the existence of another civilization and from communication with it?
If the new civilization that is discovered is more moral than us, it would be a shame to make contact with it that might corrupt it, and if it is discovered to be less moral than us, it would be a shame to make contact with it that might corrupt us.
The conclusion that finding another civilization will prove evolution is also not necessary at all. Perhaps there will also be religions that claim divine revelation and creation?
In other words: more than searching for extraterrestrials to reveal the truths of the universe, it has to reveal the truth about the nature of our human species: a creature that is never satisfied with its social connections and always has a longing for a connection with something higher.
By the way, I have long heard about another possibility: another civilization may exist, and it also knows about our existence but prefers to ignore us because we are inferior in its eyes. Is there a way to force her to contact us?
Greetings: ET phone home..
N. B. Maybe it's better to expand the search also to contact about civilizations in the parallel universes??
The first question on this topic is: Why would someone send a signal to space?? Are we sending signals into space??
If so, maybe we are unusual in this matter?
What we may need to look for is the interception or capture of signals sent between other developed civilizations passing close to us, for this we need (as much as possible) to make an assessment of where there are the greatest chances that civilizations will be found and our position in relation to them and then direct the reception systems there!
It's a shame that another thousand years will pass before we understand again that we are not "at the center of the world" as happened in the past until Galileo discovered the edges of the Earth in the solar system!
If you receive it, you should try to assess whether there are special transmission methods for transmitting signals over huge distances? Maybe these will be complex signals from what we know and are familiar with? Something that cannot be absorbed by normal equipment!
A successful reception year.
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5 minutes after I installed the software I found ET.
Link:
For ST's grid software
It seems to me that after such a persuasive advertising article you should put some link to connect to the grid. It's a shame to lose a processor just because someone can't spell on Google.
For me, the project doesn't seem very attractive - to be honest. It seems to me that there are too many variables unknown to both science and me as an optional contributor.
I would love to attach my processor to something that could improve the global economy or help improve our quality of life on the planet.
As usual, I wonder if the money that the grid and its components (electricity, processor, other computer components) waste could have been invested more wisely?
Happy New Year to everyone,
Ami Bachar