NASA has decided on a permanent name for the GLAST telescope, which recently began transmitting the first gamma-ray images of the universe
NASA's newest space telescope, which until now was called GLAST, completed acceptance tests upon its arrival in orbit and began a mission to discover the universe in the violent and unpredictable domain of gamma rays.
A new name with a new beginning - NASA announced that the new space telescope GLAST will now be called the Fermi Gamma Ray Telescope, after Prof. Enrico Fermi (1901-1954), a pioneer in the field of high energy physics.
"Enrico Fermi was the first person to raise the possibility that cosmic particles could accelerate to high speeds," said Paul Hertz, the telescope's chief scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "His theory provided the basis for understanding new phenomena and in his name the telescope will continue to discover."
The scientists predict that Fermi, which will observe in the gamma-ray region, will discover many new pulsars, reveal the inner workings of supermassive black holes and help physicists search for new laws of nature. In the two months since Fermi's launch on June 11, scientists have been testing and calibrating its two instruments, the Large Area Telescope (LAT) and the GLAST Monitor (GBM).
Today, the Wide Area Telescope team unveils an all-sky image showing the bright gas in the Milky Way, twinkling pulsars and a bright background galaxy billions of light-years away. The map incorporates 95 hours of the telescope's first observations. A similar extensive photo, taken by me Compton Gamma Ray Telescope, but it took many years to assemble it. Fermi's stronger sensitivity promises discoveries no less than those of Compton.
The Fermi Wide Area Telescope scans the entire sky for three hours when it is operated in scanning mode, a mode that will occupy most of the telescope's viewing time in the first year. These first high-speed snapshots allow scientists to map rapid changes in the properties of the universe in the intense gamma-ray range from 20 million electron volts to more than 300 billion electron volts. At the upper end of the range, which refers to energies 5 million times stronger than the X-rays we know from the dentist, very little has been studied.
The secondary instrument, the GBM, observed 31 bursts known as gamma-ray bursts in its first month of operation. These high-energy outbursts occur when massive stars die or when a normal star and a neutron star are in the process of merging.
The GBM is sensitive to less energetic gamma rays than the Wide Area Telescope, and it provides a complementary view of a broad spectrum of gamma rays. Working together, the two instruments may reveal some of the intricate mysteries of gamma-ray bursts. "The past few decades have been the golden age of astronomy," says GBM principal investigator at Marshall Space Center, Chip Meaghan. According to him, Fermi will help continue the good times. "I'm happy to be a part of it."
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For a moment I thought, and things are under review.
People say "there is no absolute truth", and they usually mean that there is no one indisputable truth.
Does this sentence make sense?
If there is no absolute truth, in any case this sentence itself is not absolute, and if it is not absolute then there may be an absolute truth. And if all the truths apart from the aforementioned sentence are not absolute, then there is one absolute truth - and that is the sentence itself. However, if the sentence itself is an absolute truth, then it also applies to itself and absolute truth is possible anyway.
Amadeus:
You are not alone in your feeling
http://www.orr.org.il
I should have written Gottlieb…
Come on, enough arguing about religion. Religion is not worth the attention it gets. Don't you want to throw up from all the internet debates about faith? It's pathetic. You have to act and not talk. For starters, separate religion from the state. That's the only way they got out of our vein, because it's impossible to convince them of anything, they don't know how to think. They should be locked in their meetings, so that they will not stick their noses out without making a sound, and be ashamed of even existing. It can't be that this bunch of parasites dares to be proud of something, and prove something to someone.
They have lost their shame, because the state lets them do what they want, including terrorism and violence. Time to stop these fascists!
Hugin:
It is possible to draw constructive lessons even without respecting, and in this sense it is very desirable that lessons be drawn from the Nazism that I mentioned and spoke about.
In the same way, I draw lessons from the delusions of religion.
Michael:
The caveat, and especially to what you mentioned, which I will not repeat, is expressed emphatically in the responses to the articles
others.
It is customary for me to see both the details and the whole in the big picture. To engrave in my heart - to remember! and produce
Constructive and useful lessons accordingly.. in short, to improve with the resources already available.
And to respect, even those who do not understand my spirit for a given moment.
I must also bless the Internet, which allows me the necessary distance to convey my originality.
And without being biased in one way or another.
Hugin:
Coming to the absurd is a very common way of exposing the errors in a general argument.
I took things where your words allowed them to be taken. If you qualified them in a way that makes it impossible to take them there, I would not take them there.
You are welcome to specify in which cases, in your opinion, the sources should be consecrated or respected and in which cases not.
In my opinion, you will have no choice but to say that they must be passed through the filter of our current values, and this deprives your advice of practical content.
The past does not exist, but for the future
Michael,
With all the genius that I-we on the site attribute to you, something was missed due to the effort to achieve thinking.
Under pressure, they don't understand the main thing.
To take, a reference that I returned to Roy, to a really distorted place.
Too bad.
To Amadeus: More interesting, how you stole the name of a genius in history, and brought him down to the lowest level.
And Golan:
really interesting.
Hugin:
Not all our sources are sacred and to think so is simply a danger.
Imagine that the Germans of our time would sanctify their Nazi origins.
Maybe we should also sanctify the customs of the monkeys from where we evolved?
This reminds me of the eternal (and false) claim that "without Judaism I would not be here" which even if it were not wrong would be likened to preaching to a child born as a result of rape to advocate rape because without the rape he would not be here.
per person:
The Jewish head does exist.
Although not with you, but it is an existing phenomenon that has an evolutionary explanation.
By the way, the vast majority of the Jewish Nobel laureates (in the fields of science) were atheists. Apparently the Jewish head - when he is at his best - is unable to accept nonsense as truth.
Amadeus, you took the words out of my mouth, I didn't understand a thing either from the barrage of gibberish she tried to write here. I wonder what she was trying to say.
Can anyone understand anything from what this Odin is saying? To me it looks like meaningless gibberish, punctuated by an elementary child. There is no logic in this, nor any argument that can be understood. Just a collection of unrelated sentences. What is he talking about here every article?
Is this the people who study in Yeshiva..?
Roy
As a principle, everything comes from the Spirit!!! And therefore everything is Torah..including all the teachings, theories..etc..for branches
and channels in the "Prison of the Times".
You can call it, the world of delegation in the chain of command.. (on loan).
The wind is also likened to a trumpet>>>resonating))) from the clearest to >the broken sections, and like the game..the broken-telephone..that we played in our youth.
Even when throwing a stone (truth) into a well: the farther the ripples of the circles that are formed are from the center, the more blurred and less precise they are.
And regarding the rabbit, which for now I have enough time to read, to the link.. the rabbit is similar to "nefesh." On the contrary.. the chewing
And chews on things, like the "blind intestine", which does not see the source..the thing.
In any case, D'Orita's innovations were always recommended... it is only important not to discard the old, but to sanctify it,
Because he is the mother of Torah.
And in the world of philosophers: Plato once called Aristotle, a frog that suckles from its mother and throws away, later,
It is possible to say that there may be "Aristocrats".
religious..
who forgot..to their origin..
I recommend everyone to pull the rabbit out of the hat..ha..and check themselves.
Hugin,
The claim of many religious and ultra-Orthodox (which is actually an axiom in almost all currents of the Jewish religion) is that the Torah came from God. Most of the religious/Orthodox continue and claim that the origin of the Talmud is also divine. The proof, according to them, is in the many scientific facts that can be read in the Torah and the Talmud. Of course, many sentences can be interpreted as the reader wishes, and in some cases the correct sentence can also be chosen from two that contradict each other.
If we want to contradict the claim that the source of the Torah is in God, then we only have to present a claim in the Torah that has been proven to be wrong, since it is not possible for the Almighty God to be wrong and misleading in his words to the people of Israel. One such claim is the categorization of the rabbit as a 'ruminant', while every beginning zoologist knows today that the rabbit does not ruminate at all.
And for the details - the link I added to the previous comment.
to roy,
Regarding the issue of the rabbit - raising immigration, which you brought up several times in your "conversations" on the website,
Without having read about it elsewhere, it is about an act, chewing...
I don't understand why you are rowing in this matter, the Torah will neither fall nor stand, on the edge of this issue.
Did I not understand something here?
Roy please
http://www.tora.us.fm/tnk/tora/wyqra/tm91.html
http://www.arachim.org/Index.asp?ArticleID=1640&CategoryID=333&Page=2
By the way, I would appreciate it if you could explain to me the issue of the rabbit migrating, after reading the incredibly detailed article full of evidence from the Talmud and the Torah about the zoology of the sages (thanks to the website 'Freedom' for the link):
http://www.hofesh.org.il/articles/halacha/zoology/zoology.html
I looked, I didn't find. A real reference is not demagogues who sneer at everything they don't like. This can also be found on Christian and Islamic websites.
Look here and you will find excuses for all your difficulties (Rabbi Dan Segal)
http://www.shofar.net/site/ARList.asp?id=4400&category=2&Query=1
A person,
No research has been done that reaches your conclusion, and I do not know those 'many and good people of the nations of the world' who support it. These are nice and beautiful slogans, but they are not backed by reality.
Muhammad took his knowledge from the words of the sages of the Talmud? Where did you come to this conclusion? Where does the proof for this very big claim come from?
As for your story, it is very nice. I know many other stories about people who studied in yeshiva for a long time, and finally decided that the main wisdom is not to be found in Judaism and came up with a question. What does this prove?
Goodbye, I was happy to talk to you. See you in a month+-
Roy:
You need to understand that when I say that the mind is degenerating, I mean that it cannot reach the level of the Jewish mind, but rather it holds the rank of the nations of the world, which is a lesser level (even though their wisdom is great, "the wisdom of the Gentiles will believe") and don't let this sentence sound like racism or condescension because I am not saying that from my heart but many and good of the people of the nations of the world
Roy, all the same knowledge of Muhammad from the Koran appears in the words of the sages (for example, there is the words of Ezra the Stone about the atmosphere, where he explains very well what the atmosphere is, "a layer of air that surrounds the earth" and other examples scattered in the Shas), therefore I say that surely in every religion there are such revelations or others but to remind you the Koran and Christianity and other religions took their knowledge from our Torah
There is a story about an Israeli who was on a trip after the army in India and there he was exposed to the fading wisdom of the East and as he progressed and reached the top it became clear to him (from their great monk) that he had nothing to look for in Buddhism and that he would return to his Judaism because most of the wisdom is taken from the Jews (now that guy is studying at a yeshiva in God)
What is more, it is explicitly written in the Torah that Abraham our father sent the daughters of the Falgash to the East with wisdom in their hands and many witches, and so it is for all the religions that acknowledge the matter
He does not bequeath anything and it is a fact that it is written in the Gemara that the Torah cannot be inherited and one must work for it in order to win the Torah crown.
But what is true, and this is an indisputable fact, is the concept of the Jewish head that has existed since time immemorial and this phenomenon cannot be explained other than a special uniqueness that exists only for the Jewish people who have great potential to influence and reveal worldly secrets!
A person,
Your answer is not acceptable. There are no scientists who claim that the brain degenerates as a result of a lack of Torah study. If you bring me such a 'scientist', I will laugh in his face, just as I would a 'scientist' who claims he can prove XNUMX% that there is no God. This is not science, but a belief that is not based on real research and testing. Such an opinion is not accepted in the world of science. If someone told you that there are scientists who claim this, they simply lied, plain and simple.
Regarding the scientific knowledge of the sages of Israel, I would be happy to receive a link to Rabbi Segal's answers. But I have to admit I'm a little confused, Adam. After all, what does it even matter what the sages of the Torah knew, if great and fascinating scientific wisdom appears in the Koran as well? How did Muhammad know that there are seven layers to the atmosphere? How did he know about the existence of black holes, or did the universe begin as an extremely thin gas? How, as a desert dweller, did he know that the higher one rises in the atmosphere of Kada, the more the pressure decreases and the air becomes thinner and harder to breathe?
All of these have a reference in the Koran, the original language of Islam. So why should I be impressed by the knowledge of the Torah sages that 'the earth is round', when the Muslims already knew more than a thousand years ago that there are black holes? After all, according to this calculation of 'who knows more', the Koran beats Judaism by a knockout!
So who to believe? In the Koran or Torah?
Adam: What nonsense!
Are you suddenly relying on biological inheritance that is built on genes?
Maybe you can explain to me how a father who studied a lot, a lot, a lot, bequeaths his brain to his children who were born before he learned so much?
Chanterish!
http://hadafhayomi.co.il/index.php?l=he&a=article_archive/main_article_video
Roy,
The answer to this is clear because their ancestors labored in the Torah, the Talmudic mind took root in them and it will take time for their brains to degenerate (I recommend you see this article..http://hadafhayomi.co.il/index.php?l=he&a=article_archive/main_article_video,כתבה of channel 10)
"Apparently the brain does not degenerate from not learning in yeshiva." You have a terrible mistake because the brain does degenerate and it is a fact from many cases that scientists admit this!!
The very scientific knowledge of the sages of Israel is not in doubt and regarding the mistakes I recommend you see the answers of Rabbi Dan Segal in response to the questions of the repeater in the question Yaron Yedan
Friends, I ask not to return to personal insults, thank you.
A person,
You state a very strange thing: the nations of the world have a mind for scientific discoveries, and the Jews apparently do not. The Jews must study Gemara and Talmud and Torah in order to develop the intellect. But how does this sit with the Jewish Nobel Prize winners, who also did not study in yeshiva? How does this reconcile with all the hundreds of thousands of Jewish scientists who did not study in yeshiva?
In two words: it's not. And your argument is belied here by the simple facts. Apparently the brain does not degenerate from not learning in yeshiva.
By the way, I definitely believe that flipping through Torah and Gemara does add wisdom, in exactly the same way that solving crosswords, sudoku and participating in debating can add wisdom. No more, no less.
Let's move on to your second attempt: to show that the Torah / Talmud / Gemara have scientific truths.
Everything you showed is very nice, but all this was already known 2,500 years ago from the Greeks. Pythagoras, Aristotle and Plato all promoted the knowledge that the Earth is flat, for example, and the culture in Baghdad (Babylon) during the Talmud period was very aware of the ancient Greek sages. Let's not forget that the Talmud is a collection of opinions, written at about the same time as the Koran. These opinions were most likely based equally on the knowledge of the Greeks.
Apart from that, if you want to prove that Judaism is correct because it knows scientific facts that were unknown in those days to the rest of the world (ie, that came from a divine source), you have to also explain the errors in the Torah and the Talmud. Why is it written in the Torah that the rabbit ruminates (while we know it does not ruminate)? Why did sages interpret that lice are created from the soil of the earth?
In the end, it seems much more likely to assume that the Talmud, the Gemara and the Torah were written by human beings who made mistakes and were confused, and that there is no trace of divinity in them. If you claim otherwise, you need to explain all the scientific errors found in these books. You also need to explain how other religions, such as Islam, arrived at 'scientific insights' into the Qur'an without divine inspiration.
Adam, please tell us about some fascinating scientific discoveries that advanced the world and were revealed thanks to the words of the Torah, tell us about rabbis and people who studied Torah for the rest of their lives and thanks to this knowledge developed something that contributed to the human race, something that advanced us.
Tell us about it.
Those pathetic quotes from The Zohar that you stick everywhere have already become a cliché. How many times do you have to explain that
1) The Book of Zohar is not as old as you think, it was written in the Middle Ages.
2) All the amazing works that are supposedly presented in it, were already known to the Greeks for almost two thousand years, and to the other peoples who lived together with the Jews in their area, who discovered them empirically without any mystical methods.
I would be impressed if the Sefer Zohar told how the atom is built, or how the brain works... why doesn't it have such information?
Relative to the information supposedly delivered directly from the "Creator of the Universe", stories about the earth being round and people living in different colors, let's say it's not particularly impressive.
Adam, what do you want to show that you are smart?
You are as stupid as a shoe
It's a fact
There is nothing to argue about it at all.
If you put your brain in a blender, orange juice would come out.
Roy,
Before I answer you, I will start by saying that not long ago my rabbi was waiting for his wife next to the operating room and was studying in the Gemara book. A secular professor with no connection to the Torah and mitzvot came to him and said to him how fun it is that you religious people have tools to improve your thinking, which is disappearing with us (in his language but the intention is clear)
The nations of the world have a very developed mind for scientific discoveries, according to the saying of the Sage, "Wisdom of the Gentiles, you will believe" and this is not a mimra in the Alma, but one can even increase and say that the sages of Israel several times established Halacha through the sciences of that time and that the nations of the world are winners, it is certain that your giving of billions of people will be a minority that will come For such discoveries (what if the Zohar foresaw this process: (translated from Aramaic)
"And in the year six hundred of the sixth thousand, the gates of wisdom will be opened above, and the springs of wisdom below, and the world will be corrected to enter on the seventh, as a person corrects himself on the sixth day at sunset to enter on the Sabbath, even so. And your sign: "In the year of six hundred years of the life of Noah and others, all the springs of the great abyss burst forth")
Only now I could answer because I observe Shabbat (different from you of course).
For "waiting", our books are full of scientific revelations that were given in advance to the sages of Israel and here are some of them (I repeat and emphasize that despite everything our late sages were also wrong in a number of things although despite this this does not contradict anything because the sages of the generations must rely on the sciences of that time!)
A- The structure of the world and its way of working:
"Every settlement rolls around in a circle like a sphere (the whole settlement - that is, the world and humanity on it - rolls around in a circle like a sphere) Elin Lata and Elin Ela (these - that is, some of them - live below, at the bottom of the sphere, and those above) Ether and Ether, and Kaimin in his existence as the other sons of Nesha. (And all these creatures - who live in the different parts of the globe - differ in their appearance - in their color, in the shape of their faces, etc., - because of the change in the weather, like the weather in each and every place. But they stand like other human beings). And on Da Eit Ether Bishova (and therefore there is a place in the world) as a nahir lalin, dark lalin. Lalin Yamama, and Lalin Lalia.
(When it is light for these, darkness for these. Day for these, and night for these) And with Ether Dcholia Yamma, and she did not forget her Lilia Bar in the day of Hada Zaira. (And there is a place in the world that is always lit and night will not be found in it except for a short time) etc. It is written (that is how it is written) I will praise you because I have fallen terribly and your deeds are wonderful! (Tahilim Kelt) And Raza Da Itamsara to Marihon Dakhmta (and this secret was given to those with wisdom - the wisdom of the Torah) etc."
In The Migration of the Continents: "Tana, one land was literally taken out by the waters, and from it seven lands were formed."
C- The renewal of whitewashing (it is true that it also existed in Greek culture, although not in detail like the Israeli calendar and what is more, the Greeks were after us)
d- Anesthesia in surgery:
The language of the Talmud (Baba Metzia Peg, XNUMX) about the surgery that was performed on the body of Rabbi Elazar, the son of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai (Rabbi Elazar was operated on to remove fat. And see in the Talmud there the amazing reason for which the operation was performed). Let's recall that Rabbi Elazar lived about two thousand years ago (!):
They gave him sama dashinta (watered him down with a sleeping pill), and sedated him (and put him in), etc., and tore him to the chair (and opened his stomach) and they produced minya dikoli dikoli datarba (and took out considerable amounts of fat from him. dikoli = baskets) etc.
And there are many more, it's a shame to prolong
Adam, please tell us about some fascinating scientific discoveries that advanced the world and were revealed thanks to the words of the Torah, tell us about rabbis and people who studied Torah for the rest of their lives and thanks to this knowledge developed something that contributed to the human race, something that advanced us.
Tell us so much.
To my father, Roy, and Michael:
If so, and there is something in common between us, at least one thing, to say the least. The poet was right, who wrote "Haim-kamsel".
Our research, our conduct, our behavior, our conduct... and all...
But, the same "parable".. to one it "reminds" wonderful things, and to another it "reminds" monstrous things... and on the same factor it influences... we... either agree, or quarrel, or the devil knows what...
I would rule ourselves: into a kind of "phantom spirits".
And I would not be ashamed to admit that we are a bit "zombies", conditional, if we are not ready to admit it
Fully conscious! With a certain smile, about the (divine) comedy of all of us - life.
I wish for all of us to continue researching, with a compassionate smile on ourselves as well.. from time to time.
Indeed yes, and it is good that the discussion on the subject is closed here.
For Michael and Roy, Yanon uses ridiculous methods. Among other things, he claimed that the person who commits these offenses is not religious even if he apparently is, and the logical conclusion is that there are no religious thieves and murderers because if there are, they are not religious.
If it's not a circular argument, then apparently its circle has four 90 degree angles.
Roy:
You are trying to convince Yanon and you chose to use...
facts?????
what? Don't you know that female workers don't work for the foreign labor slaves?
Hugin,
I read von Daniken's book almost twenty years ago. He has charming and fascinating theories there, with enormous flight. But when I looked for a reference for all the facts he brings there, I discovered that everything I was able to find was questionable and subject to personal interpretation at best, and gross forgery at worst.
As my father says, books have the advantage of broadening horizons, but you also need to know where the earth ends and the sky begins.
Hugin: I don't know where you came to the conclusion that Roy did not read the books of (convicted criminal) Erich von Duncan.
I read his books and Roy's words seem true to me.
Odin, I also read Von Däniken's books as a child and even enjoyed them, as well as books about ghosts. It took me a long time to figure out where the mistake was there, because they are written so convincingly. What's more, they really contribute to a person's desire to know more about the world in which he lives.
They therefore have some advantage, but on the condition that they are only a step on the way to understanding the real world.
Roy,
Wait, I'm doing a reverse for a second, I saw your comment about Erich von Daniken, so like this: I read
His books 30 years ago. And he is engraved and besieged in my heart, as one of the cobblestones of history, for the interesting scenarios
That we, thanks to this, are here on the site. In any case, I do not forget those who illuminate with great light, the ancient, lost mysteries... worth reading first hand... Chariots of the Gods, etc."
I'm aware that the internet sucks, and it's hard to do 1001 things at the same time...but
If you get a chance, maybe it will do something for you too.
and linen,
Perhaps it is really desirable, for you, to stop for a while from newspapers for information, which does not contribute to you...
It seems that you draw from there, according to some instinct, which maybe because of this you must go through apprenticeships
Torah..and if it is about "Enoch shaking according to his way"..perhaps..hupa..moderate your creations,, and what
A righteous woman..will fit in your house, as fair??? 18 for the roof, no??
Happy month, and welcome to the answer, for you!
It seems that, as fate would have it, you came to this site to get an answer, so please!
Yinon,
Walla. I'm glad you don't have any crimes, threats or murders. Apparently the modesty guards are just an invention of the secularists. Probably also that the support centers of the ultra-orthodox, who state themselves that they have more sexual harassment than the secular ones, are simply lying.
And what can be said? I'm sorry that you studied in a secular school where there was no emphasis on values. I studied in a secular school where they emphasized giving, respecting others and avoiding violence. I don't know where you went to school, but in my neighborhood no one stabs anyone else. Nor do they beat people who sell MP4, like the chastity guards do. And they don't turn police cars around because they are prisoners of criminals who happen to belong to the ultra-orthodox community.
So come on. You want to believe, believe. But these are the facts, as they are also published within the ultra-orthodox community. And to say that the person who does this is not a real Haredi / religious? Well, then even those who are criminals in the secular society are not real secular.
Avi,
They are distributed in a distorted way because of worthless people like you who see money and take half of it to themselves.
Roy,
I believe there are nations that have such values.
Because these are natural values.. Man by nature is good but as he matures he develops and is tempted by passions..
Now let's talk about another matter that I wanted to talk about for a long time:
The term religious/Orthodox is an adjective!
That means only a person who is like that is already given this title.
ZA A person who studies Torah shall fear God and behave both internally and externally according to the leadership and values he learned from the Torah and everything related to it.
There is no person in the world who, after what I wrote, would behave like the one from the article you showed me!
There can be a person who studies all day [perhaps because of a habit from a young age that forced him, I don't know why there are thousands of reasons] but he has no leadership and behaves stinking towards others and that is not a religious/Orthodox person!
And you made a mistake by showing me the article because we don't have such a thing [based on what I said 5 sentences above] but you in the secular world always have it.
Every day and every day I read newspapers and I see murder, rape, taking bribes, and all the things included.
The secular world is a world that is almost completely disconnected from values and I am learning in such a bird and everyone takes care of themselves, everyone wants to be at the top.. Everyone is an agaisa who takes care of their own interests!
And it causes arguments and fights and the like.
We and the Tarans, you say one word and are already stabbing!
Since I started researching a little about the Torah I just enjoy every second.
And I constantly investigate everything they tell me, I see and check and I don't take a position and insist on it!
Michael,
They went crazy because there is an age at which a person is at and the Torah does not agree with him on several things, for example a 40 year old person cannot learn the Zohar, he can only at the age of 45..
And people went crazy because they slowly overburdened themselves step by step.
First time I enter the science site and find the talkbacks more interesting than the article itself.
By the way, in relation to the same reaction - I know (albeit superficially) people who were already crazy about it at the age of 20
A person:
to your 20 response.
In your opinion, one needs to study the holy books for fifty years to understand something.
How come you claim to understand when you're all 20 years old?
And how are you sure that after 50 years people understand? Do you have the tools to test it?
Did these people out of understanding manage to create something that works? What technological innovation?
Of course not - but reality is only important to those who do not replace it with virtual reality.
A. Ben Ner:
I completely disagree with your words in response 18.
Science and religion cannot be reconciled and I have already explained this dozens of times.
Religion includes false claims about the real world - claims that anyone can test. Science rejects any theory that has such flaws.
The fact that there are religious scientists only proves that the human soul that has been brainwashed is strong enough in childhood - ready to live with contradictions and prefers it to admitting a mistake.
In addition to this, statistically, believers are a minority among scientists and their percentage decreases as the scientist's talent increases.
See, for example here:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
Regarding the attitude towards the person - if you saw in what destructive spirit he joined the discussions here you would understand the attitude.
Recently, after my father threatened to block him, he began to be more careful with his words (which is still hard to say about Yanon who argued with logic) and as a result the reactions towards him also moderated.
Be that as it may, a "person" who refuses to take seriously the results of the hard work of thousands of scientists, each of whom is dozens more talented than him, does not deserve more respect than he gives to others.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince him either because it's obviously impossible. Persuasion works through logic and does not work on a person lying down. The answers are meant to save others from falling into the black hole he is in.
A person:
I'm busy these days and couldn't make time to work on the science website.
That's why I'm only responding now to the last response you sent me (number 7).
I do not agree with your claim that the wars will continue in the same way and people will simply find another reason.
I don't know what you are basing it on and this is just another example of your claims trying to tell us what would happen if instead of referring to what is happening. Just like you tried to tell us what would happen if you found someone smart enough to help you solve the question I gave you.
In general - this whole claim is strange when it refers to my answer to your words.
Would people also find other reasons to be poor and hungry?
People who still live in dark caves of ignorance but think they know better than everyone else because they can recite sentences from a stupid fairy tale book by heart.
Adam, please tell us about some scientific discoveries that advanced the world and were revealed thanks to the words of the Torah, tell us about rabbis and people who studied Torah all their lives and thanks to this knowledge developed something that contributed to the human race, something that advanced us.
Tell us so much.
This whole argument is stupid.
Regarding the budgets, this is what your guru tells you. Your direct budgets are already bigger, not to mention sewing up half of the state budget in all kinds of names that everyone calls you - starting with subsidizing dormitories and kindergartens, payment for yeshiva students of high school age, exemptions from property tax and other tax breaks, black economy, and more. If you sum it all up, you will understand that there is no chance that Israel will produce another Nobel laureate.
And yes, if you give a million hours, maybe the next vow will be able to repair the damage. The current generation is lost, because for 30 years our tax money has been distributed in a distorted way and to consciously unproductive factors.
A person,
But the Gentiles of all kinds - Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Shinto and Hindu and so on - they also do not practice Judaism. Moreover, a large part of those Gentiles have not been involved in religious interpretation for hundreds of years. And yet, these Gentiles manage to bring important scientific discoveries every day, which testify to a developed thinking ability. From this we learn that the brain does not degenerate from not learning Torah.
How does that fit with your statement?
my father.
The budgets of the obristas exceed those of the yeshiva by several billions. The stipend that a yeshiva student receives is by virtue and not by grace as you are trying to claim.
Thanks to the egg that was born on Shabbat, our brains work and while the minds of the secular people are degenerating because they sit all day and engage in nonsense, so even if the seculars have a million more hours they will not advance anything because their brains are degenerating and anyway the developed thinking ability will disappear over the years!!
A person. We are indeed the smartest people in the world.
25% of Nobel laureates are Jews or of Jewish origin. Unfortunately, few of them are Israelis because instead of going to universities, the budgets go to your idle meetings, and people who could discover medicines that will save the world are wasted on bickering over the fate of an egg born on Shabbat.
It doesn't even matter what religion, Christianity, Jew, Muslim, and there are many hundreds of others
Although each and every religion has the importance of supremacy over other religions
There is a complete evolution of the development of religions.
So basically the religions consist of fragments and parts of other religions and religions that have disappeared
No vegetable salad.
age,
I highly recommend you to see what the nations of the world said about the wise men of the Jews, maybe it will give you a sense of proportion about these "crazy people" you are talking about about those people because of whom the Jewish people were called with the book!!
You have to understand that without these world greats the world would not have gained anything moral whatsoever and it is only thanks to them that we exist:
"Mark Twain writes that the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Persians, and others have sunk from the world and asks what is the secret of the immortality of the Jewish people? that the Russian philosopher Nikolay Berdaev writes, that the survival of the Jewish people refuted the historical materialist system for him"
Another thing,
There is no need to sit for fifty years yourself to understand the depth of Torah, Talmud and Gemara. I guess you haven't sat for fifty years either, since you're twenty. A. Ben-Ner relies on the opinions of important rabbis in Judaism, who sat for fifty years or more in reputed and profound yeshiva. Just as you base your opinion on the words of certain rabbis (or on Amnon Yitzchak, who is not a rabbi at all), so Ben-Ner and myself base our words on other rabbis.
A person,
I read the article about the aliens, although I'm not sure what you meant. Either way, von Duncan's book has been almost completely disproved. It is based on half-truths and inflated evidence, and cannot be accepted as a legitimate reference for any claim.
As for Stephen Hawking's words, why are you angry? Among the scientists there are those who believe that they are trying to understand the Creator, just like in Judaism. Their definition of the Creator does not generally correspond to that of Judaism, but the goal is lofty, and it can certainly be connected to Judaism. The problem begins when the discoveries collide with the Torah, but you already said yourself that the Torah is subject to science. Therefore, in the rational manner on which Judaism is founded, the facts must be accepted as they are.
And lastly, I have no doubt that the search in outer space will advance science on Earth. I determine this according to every scientific discovery made in the last thousand years. Every scientific detail, even the most marginal, resulted in the advancement of science as a whole. Of course it is better to invest in cheap search, but we have almost exhausted the discoveries that can be made with standard physics. From here on, a considerable capital has to be invested to find the laws of physics, and precisely the Fermi space telescope can bring us to the next generation of these scientific discoveries.
I highly recommend you read about Prince Enrique from Portugal in the 14th century, and about the expeditions he sent with huge funding for over twenty years to explore the world. These expeditions allowed Portugal to become a real empire thanks to the trade with all the regions that were unknown until that time (by the way, important Jews also took part in the voyages of discovery). This is also a form of science, and demonstrates the importance of searching for what is hidden from us.
Man must have gone crazy to sit in a room for 50 years reading a retarded book
And try to understand what the idiot who wrote it wanted to say
The very fact that they believe in the worm and do all kinds of strange rituals to please him
It is thought that he reads their thoughts and follows them and more…….
This already shows severe mental problems such as schizophrenia and the like.
To transfer a party:
After all, it is clear that God cannot speak, just like He cannot urinate, so the Torah surely did not come from Him.
A person,
"Stephen Hawking", the scientist... it seems that you do not believe a whole faith. Even quite skeptical.
Roy, some more excellent arguments and he goes over.
I know that there are religious scientists, it's simple because every person who has a head in his head is obliged to this. My problem begins with those who, as a result of science, mock me and my shoulders and claim that I am an ancient primitive species that is stuck in the past and on the other hand, all the foam comes out.
Ben Nar, before you express your humble opinion about the Torah, you should sit in yeshiva for close to 50 years just to begin to understand what the world really is and its complexity and the set of forces that operate in it,
There are people who, due to their immersion in these studies, have reached a state of insanity due to the smallness of their minds which could not contain so much (I know a number of such people who have gone mad as a result of studying the books of Zohar and Kabbalah)
Roy, read this about the aliens
http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/topic.asp?topic_id=1775673&forum_id=16215
Dear friends, teachers and gentlemen.
Be slow in your angry reaction towards "Adam".
An angry and insulting response will certainly not convince
But on the contrary, you will fortify him in his mind. Only a matter-of-fact response, polite and out of respect for others, may act positively. And to you, "Adam", says this: science does not contradict religious belief and vision, there are hundreds and thousands and thousands of scientists who are religious. Some are in religious universities such as "Bar-Ilan" and some are in secular universities. Scientific knowledge does not contradict religious belief. All scientific discoveries and all scientific ideas are part of the divine act of creation. Science does not create a new world but rediscovers and interprets, in human language, the eternal and infinite world.
On one thing I still disagree with you "Adam". In my humble opinion, not everything is written in the Torah. There are scientific discoveries that have led to tremendous technological and medical progress, which are not written in the Torah.
Matter of fact? Adam has not said anything interesting out of the thousands of lines he has written on this site.
It is enough to read 3 lines to understand this.
Roy, your answer is not accepted for two reasons
A- The words of the great scientist Stephen Hawking do not sound like you, and this is what he says about the beginning of the formation of the world
"If we find the answer to this, it will be the absolute victory of human reason because then we will understand the Creator's intention"
That is, the main reason for science and testing is to try and understand God!
Even if you want to say that the goal is to perfect humanity, if they discover something in space and that it can affect us, it's a pretty distant doubt, but in the meantime on earth you have things that are certain and I'm sure you'll agree with me that sure is stronger than a number, so instead of bothering with doubt, please let them bother with sure!!!
Step by step, cow cow.
A person,
We don't usually write under different aliases in talkbacks on this site, as this makes unsuspecting readers think there is more than one person supporting the different sides. I hope that when you wrote the last comment under the name 'Ronen', it was not your intention to deceive the readers.
To your question, what does this kind of research bring to humanity?
It is important to understand that science is built layer upon layer. Lots of little data lead to big theories. This was the case with electricity, for example, which came after many experiments of all kinds, including those in which they sent an electric current through the legs of a dead frog and made them move.
Another example is the atom. Rutherford's experiments proved the existence of a nucleus within the atom, but they seemed completely esoteric at the time. Today we know that if it weren't for those 'stupid' experiments we wouldn't have nuclear reactors, radiation to treat cancer, radioactive isotopes to detect cancer in the body, and so on.
Fermi telescope deals with identifying black holes and understanding the processes that take place inside them. If we identify processes there that are not understood by us, then we will be able to formulate a theory around them, which will most likely be valid for the Earth as well. Who knows what kind of energy we will discover there? Who knows what the new laws of nature will be that we can uncover and use for the benefit of man? No one knows yet, but one thing is known for sure: every investment in science and discoveries throughout history has led to the progress of the country that invested in it. Any country that stopped funding discoveries, deteriorated hundreds of years behind in terms of quality of life.
For this reason, in my opinion, it is also important to invest in the Fermi space telescope.
Yinon,
There are many nations where there is no Judaism. Take, for example, the peoples who lived in the Hawaiian Islands in the last century, before the arrival of the white man. They believed in God Shark, who did not give them clear laws, but simply spawned them. And see it's a wonder, according to all the whites who came to the islands, those natives were just as moral (and even more) than the white man. There were almost no murders, and there was nothing to talk about about rape at all.
Alternatively, look at the Hopi people, who are Native Americans who believed in a Creator, but without any real written laws. The name 'Hopi' is derived from the word 'hopita', and means 'the peaceful people'. And they also don't have murders or rapes to a large extent. And all this, without a Bible.
By the way, please read the following article:
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/archive/ART33/576.html
Also, you probably know that there are telephone support centers to support women and men from the ultra-Orthodox community who have been sexually harassed. And here is a truly shocking thing: the rabbi who runs one of these support centers announced with a committee in the newspaper that according to his center's statistics, more ultra-Orthodox suffer sexual harassment than seculars, relative to the concentration of the population. The ultra-Orthodox simply do not complain to the police.
point,
where do you live?
It is rare to find people like you who are not closed to themselves..
Amnon Yitzhak>porn..
And once again you take your actions and put her in our ways!
No one does it but you.
Khabra, you are really responding here in a matter-of-fact way to the claims he made to you
Avi,
"They educate for unemployment"
I am a religious child who studied in a yeshiva and I was never taught to "not work", on the contrary, I was always taught to work and persevere both in the Torah and in financial matters...
"For a decrease in the state's income from taxes" Haha everything from the Lord -
The state spends the funds in a completely inadequate order of priorities..
"She adds taxes on the seculars who work and serve in the reserves"
If we have already taught about education [and refer to Adam's words..]
The percentage of beatings in schools..stabbing..drinking..rape..and all the non-educational things is huge compared to the percentages of the religious =]
Because we have values..
And our Torah is a way of life in itself.
My father, you are a man of science and as a man of science you must love and strive to be precise in your words:]
Good night..
Someone who sees Amnon Yitzhak goes to porn sites or they go to him.
point
He is a so-called convert, he has permission from the rabbis to access porn sites only 3 times a week. He receives a card of sins that he can punch and when it is full he must purchase a new one. How does he purchase a new one? He goes to collect charity at the intersections for the parasites who call themselves rabbis. They don't know that in the churches the matter is much more orderly.
point,
Ramon Internet:]
If a person enters the Internet, he will not necessarily enter porn sites like you =]
Is a person religious? What is religious doing around the internet full of porn images?
Michael, don't get angry, I also agree with you that religion is a reason for wars, but understand one thing, there will always be wars, only that now they are motivated by religion (a fact that the Zohar moved 2000 years ago)
I am sure that if in your opinion religions are ignored, the wars will be for a different motive ("Who invented the latest evolutionary theory", the wars will be on a technological or other background)
I do not answer him but write so that the surfers understand that we have an answer to all his stupid statements.
As for blocking, in the next curse we will block it.
You heard Adam. You can write nonsense like the one you wrote here about the space program. But don't hurt people. Your next offensive nickname will be your last.
The goal of yeshiva is not to make money!! The goal of yeshiva is to make better people (there is no yeshiva student who doesn't study a book of morals every day) and to benefit and influence all the nations of the world, as they say, "May all the families of the earth be blessed in you"
If it wasn't for my yeshiva you wouldn't be sitting here today and slandering me for all the right you have. Your existence is thanks to the yeshiva. If it weren't for them the Jewish people would have disappeared long ago in assimilation, so you owe me a lot.
At least they say that they want to benefit humanity (even if it is not true according to your opinion, at least they say and invest the best of their time in doing so), which is not the case with this strange science that examines explosions and black holes in space, a fact that is not helpful at all
Avi:
Are you answering him seriously?
After all, for the questions he asked - precisely for them - the correct and most useful solution is the abolition of religions.
And your yeshivas actually generate money for the state? They educate people to not work and thus cause a decrease in the state's income from taxes, and it adds taxes to the seculars who work and serve in the reserves.
Before closing the space program, the synagogues, monasteries, churches, mosques, etc. should be closed.
Avi:
When will you block this "person".
If there is something he really must understand, it is not the answer to the question he asked (which there is no chance he will understand anyway) but the fact that even educated and logical people have a problem of time and he has no right to waste other people's time.
I have to understand one thing,
What benefit will humanity grow as a result?!?
Will the hunger stop?
Will the wars stop?
The only thing I see from wandering in space is a colossal waste of money and manpower that could have been channeled to other places!!