This is the opinion of Prof. Alan Dershowitz, who spoke on behalf of the recipients of honorary doctorate degrees at Tel Aviv University. Minister of Education Gideon Sa'ar spoke at the ceremony and promised to double the budget of the National Science Foundation within five years and to work to increase the academic staff
Minister of Education Gideon Sa'ar promised the members of the Tel Aviv University Board of Trustees this evening that he would seek to use the budget meetings for the years 2011-2012 to improve the situation of the universities. "During the last few months, I went together with Vat to develop a five-year plan that would answer the problem. We are committed to supporting excellence, and have decided to establish 30 centers. The government budgeted NIS 45 million for five years."
Addressing the many donors from abroad who participated in the conference, Minister Sa'ar said: "We are asking for your help in raising funds for these centers. We also want to increase the academic staff that has dwindled in the last decade. This is through the addition of research and teaching positions. We will also increase the budget of the Israel Science Foundation. Today we are budgeting NIS 270 million and within 5 years this will increase to NIS 500 million."
Minister Sa'ar also promised that Israel will increase our involvement in a number of international funds and projects. "I intend to fight for the higher education budget, and I am sure we will succeed in doing so after a difficult decade for higher education. The human mind is our source of security, we need to support higher education institutions both with money and as a national priority. "
Alan Dershowitz: "Academic freedom has been hijacked by extremists"
Honorary Doctor of Philosophy degrees were awarded to the following personalities: Prof. Alan Dershowitz (USA) Dr. Irwin Jacobs (USA), Prof. Mark Feldman (USA), banker Shlomo Eliyahu (Israel) Prof. Erwin Nahar (Germany), Zvi Mitar (England), S. Lee Corman (USA), Ron Arad (England/Israel), and actress Yevgenia Dodina (Israel).
Alan Dershovich delivered the words of thanks and a speech on behalf of the winners. "No country in the history of the world has contributed more to humanity and achieved more for the citizens of the world than Israel has done. As one of the youngest countries in the world and one of the smallest, Israel has invented more life-saving medical technologies per person than any other country. Unfortunately, Israel exports its best scientists to America and Europe because the State of Israel fails to budget for higher education properly."
"The half-year-old university managed to achieve the most universities in the world and especially in Europe in many terms such as the publication index. It has become the Harvard of the Middle East."
"So far I have spoken on behalf of the other degree recipients, now I will speak mainly on my own behalf. When I look at the achievements of the university in 62 years, Israel and the research universities developed in symbiosis with the Israeli government. The research universities contributed a lot to Israel's security, in the development of weapons and technologies. The army also gave back by preparing the infrastructure for high-tech companies, and also prepared the young people for the challenge of being Israelis in a difficult world. "
The university must be integrated into the web of checks and balances of democracy. Israel is particularly known for practically preserving academic freedom - at least from a practical point of view. Academic freedom allows professors to criticize government decisions and the status quo. Israeli academics come out against the legitimacy of Israel. Israeli professors are at the head of the calls to other universities in the world to boycott Israel. People from this university are now in Boston and are demanding that an exhibition showing Israel's scientific and technological achievements at the Boston Museum of Science be shut down. This is an example of abuse of academic freedom.
The same professors use the prestige of the Mossad and their own prestige to harm Israel and further say "if I as an Israeli professor say this, all the more because it is true". As long as those professors are not breaking the law, they have the right to be wrong. The answer to these announcements is not boycotts or silence, the answer should be to bring more opinions to the marketplace of ideas. Academic freedom does not only include the right of the anti-Israelites to express themselves, but also the right to agree with the government, work for it, and even be patriotic.
Those leftists demand academic freedom for themselves but deny it to others, and Tel Aviv University did well not to give in to the demand not to hire a professor who served as a military prosecutor. Academic freedom also includes the right not to receive propaganda in classes under the guise of study material, and not to harm students who think otherwise by academic means such as giving low grades, this is harassment that should be prohibited in the same way that sexual harassment is prohibited.
Most universities in the world suffer from the problem of extremism - today it is the extreme left, once it was the extreme right. The professors who disagree with the extremists should not remain silent just because the extremists are shouting. In the US I am surprised by the silence of pro-Israeli professors who express their opinion in closed conversations but are afraid to say so in public because they are afraid of losing their prestige in the eyes of the students. A university without conflicts is suitable for China, Iran or the former Soviet Union. Silent censorship should not exist in a vibrant democracy. The alternatives to conflict are stagnation.
In conclusion, Dershowitz said: "Israel will survive its critics and so will this great university. We have a good tradition in Israel and at Tel Aviv University to express all opinions. I am convinced that the State of Israel and Tel Aviv University will go from strength to strength."
The Minister of Education who spoke before Dershowitz referred to him in particular and said: "Alan Dershowitz, I thank you for the continued representation of Israel in the international arena."
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PhD student, everyone who wants to protect themselves from terrorism is right-wing?
If it was popular opposition I would agree with you, but it is really an irrational opposition that stems from brainwashing not for a week in mosques but from the first day of every baby's life. There is a difference between a practical level of immediately calling for the massacre of Jews in the Hasan Bek area and a general call in football fields (which I also condemn) of the type of death to the Arabs.
The difference between the events of 36-39 and today is that we have a state and an army (then there were only sprouts of the army - the Haganah). I did not say anywhere where to place the fence, I only showed that its very existence spares us, or at least greatly reduces, the events that were in the years before the fence when a news report from the scene of an attack mentioned the program Songs and Gates - which move from arena to arena instead of from field to field.
I don't agree that you define me as a right-winger just because it seems to you that anyone who doesn't think a little like you is already an extreme right-winger. There is also a center and there is a moderate left.
Regarding Anat Kam, I hope they don't make things worse with her.
Each of the pseudo-pro-scientist commenters here beautifully and clearly demonstrates the blasphemy that commenter Amadeus describes here, and I certainly do not agree with most of his claims. Even without support for a bi-national state and the abolition of nationalities (I'm actually in favor of national and even Jewish rights), there is no need to ignore the simplistic policy to the point of horror that all the irreligious response mechanisms are pumping here, and the drifting after it that does not suit those who claim to be on the side of common sense.
'A massacre of a Jew'? And what, do you think they don't shout 'death to the Arabs' loudly? Settlers don't shoot farmers? The army doesn't shoot protesters? Anat Kam isn't going to be screwed for twenty years, without any proportion to the real act she did (which probably deserves a two-three year sentence in any case)? And regarding the gentleman who edits the site - first of all forward is not a center, and beyond that at the logical level it is better not to ignore the way in which forceful behavior feeds the hazards in the chin. What do you think would make a person want to be a martyr more than anything? The incitement from the mosques, you will surely say - no problem. But when will this incitement work better? If the people here had some common sense, they should have added a bit of a longer-term view to the considerations, even if that meant changing the route of the fence so that it would rob less village land on the assumption that this would lead to a reduction in resistance from the Palestinian side. But everyone here prefers to bury their heads in the sand, shout 'treason' and ignore the fact that the continued holding of the territories will in any case lead to a bi-national state soon, something that many people on the non-Zionist left already perceive as positive. As someone who would actually prefer the existence of a Jewish state, I would be happy to hear some non-messianic reasoning due to the right-wing position, which many of the commenters here clearly support, in a way that is not correlative to what is expected of people who call themselves intellectuals.
And now anyone who wants is welcome to respond in an inflammatory and non-business manner. Ad Hominem is welcome
Partially agree with Prof. Alan Dershowitz. In my opinion, those professors who act with such boldness against the institutions where they work, and against their country, have crossed every reasonable limit for criticism. Why should the state finance people who spread anti-Israel propaganda in the world? They deserve to be fired as soon as possible.
In my opinion, the issue has nothing to do with political views, neither to the left nor to the right. Criticism can be expressed in many ways. Slandering your country and people is closer to treason than criticism.
Since as a left-wing person (what can I do) I have no fondness for McCarthyism, and as an ordinary person I do not like whistleblowers and whistleblowers, it is not appropriate for me to provide many links to prove my point about the flattery that the academics from the Israeli far left receive so that they do not suffer from financial shortages while they slander us . But so that I would not be suspected as someone who is blowing things up without foundation, I allowed myself to concentrate on two who have a rich past and also an impressive seniority in whistle-blowing about Israel and Israelis, and do not deserve immunity.
The first is Prof. Oren Yefthal, a geographer from Ben Gurion University of the Negev, a post-Zionist, of course. He sees Israel "as a country that promotes a spatial ethnic project during colonial expansion" and of course an apartheid state. And since his blood was allowed, he is an enthusiastic supporter of sanctions against Israel.
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%9F_%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%AA%D7%97%D7%90%D7%9C
Yepthal is the CEO of the well-known "Betzlem", which is funded by the British Foreign Ministry, the British "Christian Aid" foundation, and other Christian foundations from Sweden, Ireland and Germany. Also on the list of benefactors are the Federal Office of Foreign Affairs from Switzerland, the International Committee of Jurists in Sweden, the Dutch ICCO Foundation, the SIVMO Foundation and the SHS Foundation, also from the Netherlands, the International Committee of Jurists from Sweden, the Peace Foundation of the US Government, and of course the Ford Foundation and the New Israel Fund. Yeftahel also won a dozen awards and scholarships, among them from the Fulbright Foundation and the Peace Institute of the US government and the Center for Jewish Studies at the University of California, Berkeley.
http://www.btselem.org/English/About_BTselem/Donors.asp
The second is Dr. Yishai Menuhin, GAP is from the University of the Negev, who was for many years the spokesman for "Yesh Gevul", which under his inspiration became a front organization of Hadash (Menouhin tried to get on the party's list for the Knesset) and is now the CEO of the "Committee" The Public Against Torture", which of course does not only deal with torture. While he is in "Yesh Gevul" there are many leisurely people to bother with the prosecution of Israeli officers who visit abroad.
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%9E%D7%
The Committee Against Torture dealt with, among other things, the demand that the death of a Palestinian driver who ran over Israeli soldiers in Jerusalem be investigated, claimed that Israel deliberately harmed Arab citizens in Gaza, and cooperated with the "Al-Haq" organization, which files lawsuits against senior Israeli officials abroad.
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Menuhin and the foundation are financed by the New Israel Fund, by the British Embassy and the SRT Foundation from Great Britain, the AIDIR Foundation of the European Union, the UNVFVT Foundation of the United Nations, the KIOS Foundation from Finland, the ICCO, SIVMO and HAELLA Foundations from the Netherlands, the Dutch Embassy, the Norwegian Embassy and more.
http://www.stoptorture.org.il/he/donors
For his passionate efforts in "There Is a Limit" Menuhin also won money: he received the Oscar Romero Rothko Chappell Award in Boston, Massachusetts.
I find myself believing in Ahmadinejad more than in my government and therefore we must be strong and as much as possible under these conditions to maintain morality. After all, what is the main slogan that the terrorists shout - massacre of Jews. My mother-in-law and her family had to flee from the house in Neve Tzedek where they were born for a while because in the Hasan Bek Mosque they shouted kill a Jew and called on the surrounding Arabs to kill the Jews. And that was about ten years before the establishment of the State of Israel. Understand what will happen if we are conquered. We will have a dolphinarium every hour.
To my father, I didn't really understand how you deduced what my position was regarding the foreign workers, especially since I didn't mention the matter at all. I am also completely against deporting them and their children, I think the state should receive them with open arms and grant them citizenship. I am also of the opinion that the law of return in its current form should be abolished, and immigration should be allowed according to more relevant criteria than religious belief and ethnic origin (the border between which is very blurred in the law anyway).
My attitude towards religion is unsympathetic to say the least, but I have nothing against religious people of any kind as long as they do not involve their faith in the public and political sphere (which happens all the time in Israel). I also have no special sympathy for Muslims, and I actually believe that Islam is one of the worst of the monotheistic religions (and I really don't understand the source of the statement that I prefer Muslims over "Christians and pagans").
I also think, by the way, that the fence in itself is justified, and I don't think it should be torn down at this moment. But all this is well and good, as long as the fence is within the territory of the State of Israel. But father, have you ever seen a map of the fence route? A quick look is enough to understand that the considerations are not only security, but also political. The fence, although not yet finished, is longer than the green line itself. It goes deep into the territory of the West Bank, cutting off Palestinian villages and towns, and surrounding settlements and future areas for their expansion (which, by the way, is exactly what the demonstrations in Na'elin and Bil'in are about, against the annexation of farmers' lands in order to expand future settlements). The checkpoints are also not exactly what they claim to be, and beyond the official security justification, they are also incidentally used as a mechanism of oppression and mirroring the lives of the Palestinian residents, to show them who is the master and in spite of whose subjects they are.
The bottom line is that the measures Israel takes for peace and security are disproportionate relative to the purpose they were meant to serve, because they are not justified morally, and also practically. You have to understand that there is a difference between merely providing security, and grabbing land along the way and terrorizing the civilian population. And besides, all the signs indicate that the current government, and also to a large extent the previous governments, did not really want to resolve the conflict, and the security justifications and the fear of destruction were just excuses to continue the occupation and land grabbing. Israel has simply become addicted to control, and it is unable to stop. Holding slaves has a price for the masters as well.
I am also proud of Israel's technological and scientific achievements, and of course I have nothing against the academies in Israel. But all these achievements are ultimately not the achievements of the "state" but of all the individual people who worked hard and did, despite the meager budgets and the neglect of education in the country. And in any case, many of them flee abroad, and thus it is no longer really "Israel's" achievements. Israel has of course achieved a lot in its relatively few years of existence, but at what cost.
I don't know what you mean by being a Zionist. Is supporting one binational state, or two states for two peoples considered "Zionist"? According to many Zionists such as "if you wish" it seems that the answer is negative, but of course I do not hate any Zionist whatsoever, but Zionism has recently become a synonym for ideologies that are invalid in my view.
I also don't believe by the way that the first thing Ahmadinejad and Co. will do as soon as they have the first opportunity is to slaughter every Jew living in Israel, they have more important things to do. But of course this is my personal opinion...
Amadeus, with your extremism you also alienate Zionist leftists, and it's a shame you're doing yourself a disservice. I am against unnecessarily harming any non-Arab person, nor the foreign workers that the government abuses and commits a fascist act (but you probably don't care about them because they are either Christians or pagans and not Muslims). I said if it were possible right now I would suggest removing all the barriers and demolishing the fence, but you probably don't understand who you are dealing with and forget that buses explode here every day. The silence is deceiving.
And again - the huge difference between us is that I am a Zionist and even if I have a huge criticism of the state, I believe that it should be a source of pride (see technological achievements and the achievements of the universities, high-tech), and you think that at any cost the enemy is always right and we are always wrong. and that the state should evaporate.
The problem is that Ahmadinejad and Co. will destroy the State of Israel with the help of people like you, they will also get rid of you just as the Nazis did not distinguish between rightists and leftists and between religious and secular. I recently visited Warsaw and there I saw for myself that in the Warsaw ghetto uprising there was a coalition from the communists to the religious right.
Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are.
on the tip of the fork:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2G1TZKerTo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5AGJLezMs&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbYtpviai0&eurl=http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/02/a-minority-repo.php
http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=T6gNGDkXTK
http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=Dw2VOSbznD
http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=PfhpgnlIox
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2008/the-truth-about-islam-and-where-to-find-it/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2wvqDfitLY
http://www.amazon.com/Now-They-Call-Infidel-Renounced/dp/1595230440/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220285831&sr=8-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWPL5V5G528
http://vodpod.com/watch/3494058-palestinian-media-watch-more-childrens-indoctrination
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=2109
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQVMJ1zS6fQ&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDwCusadrVw&feature=player_embedded
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.palwatch.org/STORAGE/OpEd/Protocols_of_the_Elders.pdf
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/841/152.html?hp=0&loc=204&tmp=885
http://article.nationalreview.com/401573/choosing-the-chosen-people/interview
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/opinion/12brooks.html?emc=eta1
First, if auto-anti-Semites do not hate themselves, then the very conjunction of "auto" does not fit here.
Secondly, I assume that if there are Jews who are anti-Semitic, they probably do not consider themselves Jews, but something else, and therefore "auto" is not appropriate in this sense either.
Thirdly, when I write "most of the people in the country - the Jews among them, of course - belong to a Stalinist mob of which you despise, as you say" of course I do not mean Jews in any way, I was talking about Israelis, and I hastened to point out that I have nothing against Jews abroad, for example that many of them at all With the same political opinion as me, and neither do they sympathize with the State of Israel (not to mention the Jewish leftist camp in Israel, which of course I have nothing against). Either it's a lack of reading comprehension on your part, or simply a deliberate twisting of my words.
Fourth, how do you know that I am Jewish anyway? Are there no Israelis who are not Jews? (And here will begin the whole ad hominem, if what was already not enough...) And where does the obsession with labeling people to religious denominations come from?
In addition, if it wasn't clear, I didn't literally mean "lynching with Kilshons", but metaphorically. But speaking of that, there have already been quite a few cases of harassment of left-wing activists (not to mention Arabs) that included, for example, setting fire to apartments. Or an interesting example is the mob that sprayed hate speech on the house of Anat Kam's parents. I think it is not far off today that we will see people with kilshons on the street. This is already a common practice of settlers in the territories, and it is not impossible that it will spill over into the Green Line as well, when a mob of Jews who are proud of the Shabbat violators and who are moving around will rise up and take action (and I hope the irony in the trial is clear).
Also note that you are the one who labels the right against which I speak as a Jew, I did not mention Jews in any of my comments before you even raised the issue. I don't know if those right-wingers or Zionists are Jews or not (whatever this term does not mean, for me Jews are just kippah wearers), I personally am not interested. That's why anti-Semitism is mainly in your mind, because you fail to separate in an elementary way between politics and religion, and it is clear as day that we are now talking about politics, and not conspiracy theories about Zionist takeover of the world. The fact that Israel, on its own initiative, without asking all those involved, decided to be the representative of all Jews wherever they are around the world, does not mean that it indeed represents them, and it also does not mean that everyone who criticizes Israel (or Israelis), it also means that he automatically criticizes Jews wherever they are Jews. The Pavlovian reflex of "anti-Semitism! Antisemitism!” Honestly starting to get on my nerves.
Regarding the funding sources, I don't see what exactly we can talk about, because you didn't provide even one link to the sources from which you get the information, and anyway nothing is clear from your words, beyond a number of general and vague statements. In addition to this, even if it turns out that al-Qaeda appoints the Israeli academy, this can at most testify to the hypocrisy of the people in question, but it will not prove that they are wrong. Even in such a case, the boycott of Israel in my opinion would be justified. The fact that terrorists also support sanctions against Israel does not mean that they are unjust and vital.
Amadeus, you don't seem to understand at all what auto-anti-Semitism is. An auto-anti-Semite is not a Jew who hates himself personally (most of the auto-anti-Semites I got to know loved themselves without Egypt, almost as much as they hated their own people). An auto-anti-Semite is nothing more than a Jew who hates Jews in general. The proof that this title fits you like a glove comes from your own words: most of the people in the country - the Jews among them, of course - belong to a Stalinist mob that you despise, as you say. You repeat this again when you write: "The public in Israel is not a collection of individuals who think for themselves, but a herd of rascals who go out in the middle of the night with kilshons in hand, and lynch anyone whom the government has designated as enemies of the people." Just antisemitic lies. It doesn't bother you at all that the last time a lynching was carried out, between the sea and the Jordan, it was at the beginning of the Second Intifada and it was carried out by the Palestinians who murdered on camera two Israeli reservists who fell into their hands.
From the rest of your words, I understand very well that the discussion of the motives and funding of your colleagues for Diod is not comfortable for you, and the reason is clear. After all, these are mercenaries of foreign capital, and in any case they spew nothing but piles of cheap propaganda that they are paid to say. Speaking of unnecessary emissions, it seems very strange to me that someone who emits, like you, a meager and boring collection of moldy clichés, transparent lies, insults and insults, still dares to complain about the "very low level of public discussion".
Do you despise the Israeli mob, Wolfgang? I'm proud to belong to it, and you go find your friends. You deserve them as much as they deserve you.
To Shlomo, very true, the country is mostly made up of a dissuaded Stalinist mob. A country where the government is in the hands of the army and the KGB. I despise this country and its institutions, and the mob that makes it up.
But the issue of auto-anti-Semitism amazes me, because I don't think that the country is me, so if I hate the country, how does it follow that I hate myself? I see no connection between the two things. I also never said that the Jews are fascists, many Israelis are, but there are some who are not, including Jews abroad who understand what is going on here. It is very pathetic how all the time the right incites the discussion to ad hominem, and automatically turns any criticism into anti-Semitism, auto-anti-Semitism, self-hatred, treason, etc. This delegitimization of people, without listening to what they have to say, is a distinctly Stalinist technique. Really pitiful.
The current debate on the funding sources of the academy in Israel is also an example of this. Instead of having a constructive public discussion of the claims that are raised themselves, the whole discussion is reduced to a petty preoccupation with funding sources, and a candle-lit search for anti-Semites embroidering plots to destroy the country. The funding sources of If You Will, for example, would not be of interest to anyone, if they did not themselves start all this propaganda. You don't need to know who is funding them, because anyone with common sense understands right away who they are talking about based on their slogans and the things they deal with.
No one in the public or the media is interested in whether Goldstone was right or not, whether the IDF is acting in accordance with international law, whether the initiative to boycott the academy is justified or not, etc. He is necessarily the enemy. The lack of internal criticism, the automatic self-righteousness, the division of everyone into only being with us or against us, all of these testify to the very low level of public debate, and the superficiality of Israeli democracy which exists only in a very formal way in the form of elections once every few years. The public in Israel is not a collection of individuals who think for themselves, but a herd of rascals who go out in the middle of the night with kilshons in hand, and lynch anyone whom the government has designated as enemies of the people. There is no better way than to unite people with the help of hatred and creating common enemies. Once it was the Jews, then the communists, now it's Arabs and leftists. The government always finds some weak minority, and puts all the blame for the country's troubles on them, so that no one will notice the stench from within and will not recognize the real enemy.
In response to Anonymous
Here is a query regarding the existing budget for higher education, so you will understand that when dealing with a budget to encourage a certain purpose, the amounts are different.
http://147.237.72.152/magic94scripts/mgrqispi94.dll?APPNAME=budget&PRGNAME=doc3&ARGUMENTS=-N2010,-A21
And this is only in relation to the overall budget, not to mention the elementary education budgets, which stand in front of the 30 billion remaining in the Ministry of Education's budget.
Basically, there's no way you'll understand, because according to you we're supposed to die, or we'll accept your education for all that's implied, what's called pluralism. But I also wrote the response for the benefit of the innocent reader.
And one more thing, Amadeus. It seems to me that regarding auto-anti-Semitism, you don't have to go far. On other, less scientific websites than the current one, when Wolfgang comes to your mind, you are not ashamed to say about the State of Israel "it's not a state - it's a mob", and also "the KGB state stinks" and as for Jews in general, you know how to say that "they are such fascists".
What is not clear to you, Amadeus? When a Palestinian who works for Adalah and earns a living from a fund of a rich American capitalist, what is it about, in your opinion? In a bold warrior who exploits the abysmal innocence of the capitalist, or in a mercenary of the capitalist and does his will, who tries to sell himself and those around him fairy tales about his noble activities? Or is it a historical, even utopian, collaboration between the Ford Foundation imperialists and the Palestinian anti-imperialists? And this also applies to the "progressive", "leftist" Israeli professor, etc., who earns a living from the hand of that billionaire, or from the hand of the German trade unions (Ebert Foundation) or the German industrialists (Seidel Foundation). Biological-atomic to the hawkish sides in the Middle East. You haven't heard of our Lord, our teacher and Rabbi K. Marx who stated at the time that being determines consciousness?
And this also answers the question regarding auto-anti-Semitism. When those Jewish professors align themselves according to the ideological lines and political goals of the anti-Semitic factions of the Palestinian National Movement, and often even provide it with ammunition, they are auto-anti-Semites, who also make a nice living from their deviation.
And regarding "If You Will" and "The New Horn": The Christian evangelicals who support "If You Will" seek to instigate a war between Jews and Arabs here in order to bring the war of Gog and Magog closer together and the great battle of Armageddon is Mount Megiddo.
The American billionaire and his ilk who support the "New Fund" are waging war to raise oil prices and improve and maintain arms sales. You have already chosen who you prefer, when you determined that the former deceive the latter. But I, who followed the Foundation's reactions to these plots, found only unintelligent and inelegant lies and evasions. Which, by the way, didn't make me prefer the former over the latter.
McCarthyism in reverse.
Dershowitz is the main mouthpiece, who worked to prevent tenure from Dr. Norman Finkelstein
please
http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/003-D-47874-00.html?tag=01-01-29
Shlomo, from your entire response it is really not clear what exactly all these foundations have committed, that it is such a shame that Israeli academics receive money from them... No, the fact that an anti-Semitic founded a certain foundation 80 years ago does not say much about it. How is the anti-Semitism of these foundations manifested, or the "self-anti-Semitism" of the Israeli professors? Reminds a bit of the plots about the "new fund" from "if you want".
The main problem with Alan Dershwitz's thesis is its naivety. Academic freedom is not hijacked by mere "extremists" - innocent professors, who happen to have delusional opinions, excess morals, self-hatred and strange or progressive political information, or all of these together. Academic freedom in Israel has been hijacked by foreign money - and a lot of it. Anyone who has a little knowledge of the universities knows what an important role the multitudes of foundations and institutes, most of them foreign, play in the income of the members of the academic staff. Such funds finance profitable research, institutes for everything and anything headed by professors who receive handsome salaries, conferences and seminars in Israel and abroad, including flights, expenses and lecturers' fees, funding for book publishing, sabbatical years abroad, research and study scholarships, awards and more . The main funds active in Israel are American and German. The British and Scandinavians funnel their money to our academics directly through their embassies. The French are stingy. It would not be an exaggeration to say that in quite a few cases, the income of academic staff members from the foundations is higher than their income from their official salary.
Here is a partial list of foundations that fund our auto-anti-Semites: First and foremost is the Ford Foundation, itself anti-Semitic, founded in 1936, two years before Henry Ford received a high and shiny Nazi decoration from Adolf Hitler. The foundation's apparently left-wing and supposedly anti-colonialist/imperialist views in Israel are not hindered by its connections with the CIA (plenty of links on the Internet) and with the American administration in general. Other American foundations are the Fulbright Foundation, the USIP Foundation and the "American Institute for Peace" (government foundations) and the private Soros Foundation (of the billionaire George Soros, a foundation that funded a few years ago a "research" by an American academic from Berkeley, who told a French TV channel that Israel steals fresh kidneys of poor Moldovan children, and then announced that "her words were taken out of context"). The German foundations active in Israel and benefiting the local auto-anti-Semites with their products are the Ebert Foundation, the Seidel Foundation, the Adenauer Foundation, the Naumann Foundation, the Brandt Foundation and the Bell Foundation.
For the sake of truth and fairness, it must be said that there are also counterpart funds, usually of extreme evangelicals from the USA or of rich right-wing Jews, that finance the activities of extreme right-wing people in Israel. To the credit of the people of the right, we can only say this, that they do not pretend to be pious and righteous liberals like the auto-anti-Semites, but this is at best only an argument for the lightness of the punishment.
The picture is therefore quite clear: the great powers of America and Europe are fully engaged in the activity of "divide and conquer" between Jews and Arabs, when they pay large and easy money to instigators of strife and discord from the left and the right. There is no need to be surprised at this, since this is the usual and prevalent policy of empires since time immemorial.
Therefore, without risking much, we can say that when an Israeli academic calls for the boycott of the university that pays his salary - he has additional income. He is not a stupid martyr who commits suicide (in their case the money is paid to the family, as you know).
The Minister of Education Gideon Sa'ar promised in the festive ceremony to improve the situation of the universities.
Since I'm such a good guy, I want to help the Honorable Minister: see page of the Ministry of Finance, with budgets in education:
http://147.237.72.152/magic94scripts/mgrqispi94.dll?APPNAME=budget&PRGNAME=doc3&ARGUMENTS=-N2010,-A20
The Honorable Minister is surely not aware of sections 203821 (NIS 112 million), 203815 (almost NIS 19 million), 203812 (NIS 9 million), 203804 (NIS 700 million), 203122 (NIS 36 million), 202915 (NIS 300 million), 202908 (824 million shekels), 202909 (160 million shekels), and even ultra-Orthodox budgets that are hidden for them in innocent sections such as 202804 (521 million shekels)
Why allocate 45 million shekels for 5 years (9 million per year) when if you really, really want to be fine, there is a lot of money here that you can literally swim in? In short, Honorable Minister, who do you work for?
So ask Meretz why during the Rabin government and during the Barak government they preferred to sit in narrow governments with the ultra-Orthodox and not for example with a Zionist party like the Likud and in Barak's case even a change?
Disgrace Dershowitz, an advocate of villainy.
Things written by Eyal Niv:
http://www.haokets.org/default.asp?PageID=10&ItemID=4789
A. It is not true that the left deals only with the Palestinian issue.
B. What other things do you mean the left should engage in? social gaps? Environment? Religious coercion? After all, he has always dealt with these things, much more than the right-wing corrupt parties, which only care about the capitalists, or their flocks or settlers, if it is about kippah wearers. See for example Hadash.
third. I also want to change, do you think it will lead to our elimination, I don't think so. But as I said, I think that the country will be destroyed on its own anyway, if the settlement project does not stop. Israel will eventually have to choose between granting citizenship to millions of Palestinians, and dealing with boycotts and international sanctions in response to the apartheid regime it will have to run to physically separate millions of settlers from millions of Palestinians on one tiny piece of land. And I bet the second option won't last long.
I still think that the country can be changed in a democratic way, for that the left parties must recognize that there are other issues in the country besides the Palestinians and that they need to be resolved because they will pose a threat to the strength and ultimately the existence of the country. Because the Palestinian issue hijacked Meretz (and I am happy that there is finally one person in Meretz who will take care of the internal problems - Nitzan Horowitz. If there are many like him in Meretz and at work, it will be possible to talk about change. Not at the moment. Maybe a new change will also arise.
You explicitly say that you don't want to change, you want to eliminate, so we are in two different worlds.
Father, if that's the case, I suggest you start packing now, because the State of Israel is killing itself of its own accord right now, even without the help of people like me.
What you demand is the suicide of the State of Israel. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be a martyr for some delusional utopian idea. My death and the death of the Israeli elite in a nuclear holocaust will not really serve the world. Even if the West sacrifices us in the end, it will have to deal with terrorism itself.
to my father,
The security risk of course exists as you explained, the problem is that the measures that Israel takes to ensure its security, not only violate international law, but also most of them simply have no justification in relation to the real threat that the country is facing in reality. The abuse of the residents of the West Bank, the arrests in the dead of night of peace activists (also inside Israel), the dispersal of the violent demonstrations, the siege of Gaza, and of course the settlement enterprise and the annexation of the lands. All of these have nothing to do with security, and their only goal is to establish the hegemony of the army, to show them who is the boss, so that they will not dare to rise up and demand rights, God forbid. Oh, and if we are talking about fundamentalism, of course also for us to have the "complete Land of Israel".
It is also an exaggeration to say that the Palestinians are all brainwashed fundamentalists. In reality, most of them just want to live a normal life. And do you really believe that "when we destroy their fundamentalists and they raise their children to live a normal life and not as heids, it will be possible to talk", Israel will suddenly want to withdraw the army from the territories, dismantle and remove the settlements, and give them East Jerusalem? I don't think so, at least not with the current government (and there are no signs that the next government will be any better). Israel simply covets their land, which is a fact that is hard to argue with, and the occupation of 67 was also precisely for this purpose. They have many people and organizations in Israel, led by the army, whose interest is that the Palestinian violence will continue, that the conflict will not end, that Israel will always be subject to an existential threat, a kind of ghetto in Germany of the 30s, but with an air force. It is an exaggeration, if not a lie, to say that the Palestinians are the only ones to blame for the conflict and the situation of the Palestinians.
And what will an economic boycott achieve? Withdrawal from the territories, for example, the dismantling of the settlements, the end of the siege on Gaza. If we are more optimistic, then also the fall of the "Jewish and democratic state" regime, and its replacement by a regime that does not serve one ethno-religious group and oppresses all others. I actually think that hitting the pockets of the Israelis, giving up ski vacations for military personnel and politicians for fear of arrest, are exactly the things that will move something here.
The way is to budget those who donate,
If he is a soldier, if he is a scientist, if he is a doctor and if he is anyone who contributes to the country/humanity.
Religion should be separated from the state, don't get confused, not the nationality,
The country is a nation state for Jews, but not all Jews are religious.
Oh... and also stop child benefits.
I did not say that Israel should be boycotted because it claims to be a democracy, I gave an explanation for your claim that "most boycotts are always precisely against Israel, so they are clearly anti-Semitic." Imagine that there was now a genocide not in Darfur, but in the USA. Is it true that the reaction to this was very different? More is expected from democratic countries, so it's no wonder that Israel receives a lot of criticism, because they still don't consider it a North Korean-style dictatorship with no point in talking to it.
In addition to this, Israel is a country that receives a lot of aid from the US, among other things in armaments. It bothers a lot of people, especially Americans, what Israel is doing with their tax money, and it is natural that they would like it to stop.
Amadeus, conquest is in the minds of the people. If they could be trusted, tomorrow morning the fence could be destroyed and weapons disarmed, but you know that fundamentalists, of any religion, receive orders from above and do not consider their own people. The only ones who should be blamed for the situation of the Palestinians are themselves. In the exact same year that they left the country (and 70% of them without seeing an Israeli soldier, and the fact that they treated those who remained in Jaffa and Haifa as traitors) they were forced to leave and leave property of hundreds of thousands of Jews in Arab countries. Unlike the Palestinians, they did not enter the camps but immediately received Israeli citizenship. This is exactly what Arab countries should have done. It was a period of population shifts. All of Europe was on the road in those years, so the situation here was no different than anywhere else. They made sure to perpetuate and go to sleep with the keys to the houses that most of them no longer exist.
Even today, those who want them do business and live well (treason of course because in Gaza Hamas does not allow it). If everyone were like them there would be no need for protective measures such as the fence and barriers and I would be the first to give them up.
When they weren't there, I had to say goodbye to a co-worker who was killed in the Dizengoff Center attack.
Between ourselves, the Palestinians know this and in closed conversations they also say it. But their pride does not allow them to admit it. When we curb their fundamentalists and raise their children to live normal lives and not as heids, it will be possible to talk.
Among other things, the extreme left hijacked the Hajdada for moderate leftists like me who are not ashamed of living in the country, and want peace without apologizing for an occupation that exists (only in part they have their own governing institutions, so where exactly is the occupation - in Jaffa and Haifa?) only as long as the side The other chooses war.
It is true that there are Messianic Jews among the Jews, but their number is negligible and many of them were also willing to give up living in the territories in exchange for peace.
And besides, what will an economic boycott achieve? After all, if we become a third world country, we simply won't exist because the enemies will eat us in a second, and maybe that's what you want.
In addition, of course you also compare calls for a boycott and an actual boycott and one of your reasons (if you go back and read your words you will understand) is that the State of Israel should be boycotted because it claims to be a democracy.
No problem, we closed the debate.
Amadeus:
I have no intention of continuing this debate both because this is not supposed to be a political site and also because it seems to me that you are knowingly ignoring the most important facts of the matter.
Do I need to remind you that the state of Palestine never existed and that the territories designated for it were occupied from Egypt and Jordan who refuse to accept them back (because of their residents)?
Do I need to remind you of the incessant attacks that only increased every time the bureaucracy you decided to call an occupation was eased?
You can't demand people kill themselves.
Boycott the Palestinians? How can a refugee camp be confiscated? Boycott countries. Also, how much produce is already being exported from the territories? Maybe there is something from the West Bank, but certainly not from Gaza, if you mean Hamas. Besides, Israel is already doing the boycott, and there is no need to help it, it is very good at it.
There are actually calls to boycott China and African countries, but in Israel you don't really hear about it, because Israelis for some reason aren't really interested in human rights violations (what's more, those responsible for the genocide in Darfur, for example, are declared as wanted war criminals). Of course, it is enough just to mention the boycott of apartheid in South Africa, to show that it is not just anti-Semitism (and by the way, the irony is that apartheid in South Africa really did not bother Israel, and actually cooperated with them).
Besides, remember that unlike all kinds of barbaric African countries, Israel tries to present itself as a Western and democratic country, and to be part of the international community, and therefore the expectations from it are naturally higher than from dictatorial third world countries.
You call that bureaucracy? It's not bureaucracy, it's a washed-up military occupation. It's just that no one wants to admit that there is an occupation, because then it must be temporary, and Israel does not want to take on the responsibilities of taking care of the occupied population or even fleeing the territories. If Israel covets Palestinian lands, then finally annex them and grant full citizenship to all Palestinians. But Israel covets the land, but wants to get rid of its inhabitants (in the name of the forced and artificial "Jewish majority"), and therefore maintains an apartheid regime (which has recently spilled into the Green Line as well), whose job is to eat the cake and leave it intact. This is an intolerable situation, which does not seem to be ending anytime soon, at least not on Israel's initiative, and therefore an international boycott is the only realistic solution that can somehow affect the situation.
My father - you can't change everything in a democratic way. I don't think Israelis will ever rise up and elect a government that will end the occupation. We have been waiting for too long, since 67. That is why an international boycott is a legitimate, legal and moral step, and it really is not considered violence but quite the opposite, a boycott is considered a non-violent struggle, no one has to trade with Israel. Violence is a military invasion like into Iraq for example. There are things that cannot be tolerated for a long time, and one should not wait for them to somehow resolve themselves.
There should be no boycott, and you surely know my views, and I have a lot of criticism of the state - the only way to do this is not through violent means like the ultra-orthodox or the rightists, and not through a boycott like the Shamlanites (because that is also a form of violence). The only way to change something in a democratic country is at the ballot box.
Amadeus:
seriously?!
And what about a boycott of the Palestinians?
And what about a boycott of the Soviet Union?
And what about a boycott of various countries in Africa that commit genocide?
And what about a boycott of China?
In fact - with all the criticism, which as I said I have, Israel still stands out favorably among the countries of the world and a country has never been observed that behaved with such high morals under similar conditions.
I repeat and emphasize.
Israeli Arabs are indeed disadvantaged and this needs to be corrected.
In fact, we need to lead to a situation where we will finally be a true democracy where every citizen - secular, traditional, ultra-orthodox, Arab, Druze or Circassian - will have the same rights and the same duties.
But to single out Israel as an obligation (to single out in Dershowitz's language) is a clearly immoral act.
To illustrate what this is about I will mention two facts.
One is the well-known fact regarding the adamant opposition of the Israeli Arabs who were affected by Lieberman's proposal to transfer them (without transfer - along with their homes and everything) to the Palestinian Authority.
The second is a personal story:
We have friends in Kalkilia.
We inherited them from my father-in-law because a member of their family worked for him in the orchard.
Before the first intifada we would visit them from time to time and they would also visit us.
During one of our visits to them, a sort of "reverse debate" took place between them.
I said that they should finally establish a state and they said that they do not want a state because if it is established Arafat and a friend of his ilk will take over it and turn it into a dictatorship.
After the intifada broke out, I called them once to see how they were doing.
Miriam - the mother of the family - answered me in a trembling voice in English (she does not speak Hebrew):
I can't speak; we must be loyal
In other words - what she feared actually happened.
Since then there has been a lot of drought in Jordan and today the situation is a little better.
They can talk to us on the phone, but they can only visit us when someone in their family is sick and they manage to overcome the bureaucracy of the necessary permits for crossing the border to receive medical treatment (my wife is a doctor).
Is this bureaucracy justified?
I think absolutely yes!
There have already been many terrorist attacks that were prevented thanks to her.
In short - the world does not consist of only black and white.
By the way, who else do you suggest that the initiators of the boycott of Israel boycott, so that this is not considered anti-Semitism?
As far as I know, Israel is the only country in the world that keeps an occupied population without civil (or human) rights under a military regime for decades. Nor do I know of a country imposing a military blockade on another country. Even China granted citizenship to the citizens of Tibet, and so do all ethnocratic regimes that maintain only political and social discrimination. And countries like North Korea are embargoed anyway and we don't have relations with them, so I don't really understand who you're talking about.
To Michael, I agree with you in general, an academic boycott is not the right and just step. The right thing is a comprehensive economic boycott of all Israeli products whatsoever, and especially of the import and export of weapons to and from Israel.
incidentally,
Richard Dawkins once signed one of these calls for a boycott.
After I heard about it, I wrote to him that I don't understand how he allowed himself to do this, and he replied that he has since changed his mind and withdrawn his signature.
He did this following long conversations he had - among other things - with Michael Yudkin with whom he also wrote an article on the subject:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v421/n6921/full/421314a.html
Amadeus:
The academic boycotts are an illegitimate act in any case - even if you disagree with the state's behavior.
Between us - I too have many misunderstandings about what is happening here, but still it is impossible to compare our behavior (for most of history - it is still difficult to know where Netanyahu will zigzag and if this statement will remain true after the next zig) with the behavior of the Palestinians whose institutions no one even thinks of boycotting .
In general - academic boycotts are taken (and boycotts are taken in general) almost only against Israel and it is absolutely clear that the motives of the majority of those taking them are anti-Semitic and nothing else.
Unfortunately, there are indeed some Israelis who do not understand the difference between voicing criticism towards the entities that are being criticized and providing ammunition and backing to anti-Semites.
Lamadeus, I guess you live in a different country than we do.
You don't understand, the demand for a boycott by Israeli academics is a desperate step taken out of love for the country and great concern for the future of the country, it's not just a whim of extremists who want to harm out of malice. There is not much left to do and everyone is already desperate. Only external pressure and sanctions have a chance to save this country, because nothing will move from the inside. The Israelis will not understand on their own unless they are hit really hard, that they must end the occupation and overthrow the ethnocratic apartheid regime.
It is not new that the auto-antisemites are the biggest antisemites. The defiance and incitement towards the State of Israel that comes from certain Israelis is the greatest danger to the existence of the State. We can still deal with the jihadist threat, that's why we have an army. But we have no way to protect ourselves from such wild incitement, on the "intellectual" level (so to speak).
Muhammad:
You didn't understand what he said.
Read again.
Well done - excellent speech 🙂
Now it remains for the truly silent to raise their heads and make their voices heard.
The professors at our universities can't be extreme leftists, lol, it's clear as day.
Like some reporters here, probably in good relations with them. (Editing various articles)
I couldn't have put it better.