Minister Hershkovitz: "Establishing artificial islands can solve the problem of the lack of areas for the establishment of large infrastructure facilities." The green bodies oppose.
The government approved yesterday, June 17, 2012, the establishment of a steering team headed by the Director General of the Ministry of Science and Technology Menachem Greenblum to examine the feasibility of establishing artificial islands off the coast of Israel on which infrastructure facilities will be built.
The steering team, which will include representatives from the various government ministries, will examine the feasibility of establishing a variety of infrastructure facilities on the islands. Among the proposed facilities: a power plant, a military testing facility, a waste incineration power plant, a seawater desalination plant, recycling, wind energy facilities, an airport and more. The team will submit its recommendations to the Prime Minister within a year.
The proposal to establish the committee was submitted by the Minister of Science and Technology Prof. Daniel Hershkowitz. According to him, "Establishing artificial islands can solve the problem of the lack of areas for the establishment of large infrastructure facilities. The solution of artificial islands provides a solution for the establishment of large infrastructure facilities that would otherwise be located on the coast and take up valuable space as well as damage the environment. We will examine experience accumulated in different countries as well as new and original technologies."
The steering committee will convene all the organizations and factors related to the subject, including hydrological consultants, environmental organizations and experts in the field. The committee will examine a number of engineering solutions for the establishment such as the establishment of a floating island, an island on stilts, drying areas and more, and will also examine the effect of each of the solutions on the existing coastline.
The cost of the committee's work is about NIS 3 million. The total cost of establishing an island with an area of 2000 dunams is estimated at one and a half billion dollars.
In the past, the green bodies opposed the establishment of artificial islands off the coast of Israel because it is an open and stormy sea and not protected bays like in Japan, For example, a document issued in 2000 by the Adam Teva and Din association.
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per person:
Here is a quote from what you wrote:
There is no reason in my opinion for a business whose owner cannot make it profitable, to continue operating. And whatever the reason. Even if it is a proper management of the cash flow of the business.
I hope you will find the answer in the following link:
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There is no reason in my opinion for a business whose owner cannot make it profitable, to continue operating. And whatever the reason. Even if it is a proper management of the cash flow of the business.
I am willing to admit that it is possible that in the market segment to which I provide my services, the problem you presented does not exist in the acute form that you describe. And it is possible that I do not understand her correctly. In any case, I will need a lot more data beyond "I got a client who can't pay... I went bankrupt" to change my mind.
But you are mixing several concepts, I will try to answer them all.
1. I agree on a culturally appropriate basis. But I disagree with you about what he is. In my opinion, the cultural basis is "How do I improve my situation today?" And not "How do I make someone else do a thousand beit or gimel?"
2. You fall for the erroneous argument "economic disparity in a large society = problem". Well this is a difficult problem for people who disagree with me on one point but no more than that. In capitalist countries the gap has indeed increased, but the economic capacity of the bottom decile has also increased. In addition to this, the failed attempts of the communists and kibbutzniks to create economic equality proved that
A. It goes against the will of man without the aspiration to be successful people will not take risks (and opening a business is a risk)
B. Even if the gap in the kibbutzim was closer to the socialist idea. The kibbutzniks were no less vigilant. It is enough that one friend would get a slightly better television to develop friction.
3. Corruption, fraud and their companies have nothing to do with the free market. On the contrary, a free market supports a minimum of regulation. Minimum regulation = reducing dependence on all the cheerleaders you mentioned which encourages corruption.
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was trustworthy?! Unfortunately, you live under the illusion that this can be implemented. We have to deal with this fact. And the only way is if there is a choice. If seller X works for you, you will buy from him. And aspiration that many will do so and he will go bankrupt and the cycle of sellers after him will not repeat the mistakes of the past.
Same with clients, there aren't many reasons that would compel you to accept a client before you trust them to pay.
A person
It's just an expression, referring to your exposure to market data.
Hundreds of businesses close immediately a year, a large part of them due to bad debts - unpaid customer debts,
Time and money, in most businesses today, is invested unlike in the distant past, in the collection of funds, in the handling of returnable bags,
The market is flooded with thousands of bags without a cover. The number of people who do not meet the debt payment arrangement is very large.
When we add the increase in the fraudulent use of MKs, ministers, mayors with senior positions
We will get a free market of theft and embezzlement capitalism.
I think that a free market and capitalism can flourish and succeed over time only on an appropriate cultural basis.
One of the results in Israel, of a free market and capitalism in an unsuitable culture, is the growing economic disparities, the more the government in Israel works to encourage the free market and capitalism, the more those disparities will increase.
Trust, word, responsibility and precision cannot be achieved by force, law, or contracts, but only through education and culture.
Why this arrogance?
I have been a small business owner for over 5 years. but what ?! There is no way to prove this in talkback
And you know what? No need to prove it.
All that is needed is to talk about the topic and not about the conversationalist.
A person
If you had business experience it would be a different season
I'm in favor of a free market.
But is the market really free?
In my opinion, if there are not at least ten competitors for each government tender, then the market is very far from being free.
That's the thing; You don't need integrity for a free market to succeed.
If a hawker in the market is not honest with you, you will buy later.
All that is needed is personal responsibility. The culture of blaming others helps no one.
And least of all for those who deal with accusations.
If only it were possible to channel this energy into entrepreneurship.
Free market and capitalism constitute the method for raising the standard of living and reducing the gaps,
Indeed, it is possible to reach those important goals, and there are quite a few countries that have succeeded,
This can only be successful when there is a culture based on honesty and trust.
We let the Arabs throw us into the sea!!! (;
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If you go to a job interview and it rains on the way and you didn't bring an umbrella. You arrive liquid and wet to the interview and you are not accepted. who is to blame ?
You don't go down to the bottom of the mind of the supporters of the free market
A free market will not work optimally if people like you basically "wave" personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is there whether you side with it or not. And looking for culprits all the time instead of looking for a solution to the problem does not help.
who is to blame ?! This is not the right question. But what can I do to improve the situation?
And if a seller hides from you the rotten fruit at the bottom of the box. Stop buying from him! This is why I support a free market. I want to have options to choose from, and if they don't appear yet, I'll be able to offer this option and win this market share (selling unrotten cows for example)
Yaki. How naive you are. You are like a stick in the public's disillusionment process.
Do you blame the "greens" for the fact that electricity is expensive? It doesn't seem to you that the "innocent and poor electricity company, which just wants to provide electricity and for free" has no interest in the price being expensive, why do you think there aren't other stakeholders who want electricity to be expensive?
1)
The buyer should check what is visible. Not in what is hidden from him!
If the buyer bought rotten fruit that was visible to the eye it is fine because that is the price of such fruit.
But if the rotten fruits are hidden at the bottom and beautiful fruits are scattered on top, then the seller is deceiving.
The buyer can not turn the box to check!
If the buyer bought a car that has a fault in the relay (gear) which is undetectable at the time of purchase then the seller or the manufacturer has to compensate the buyer.
And so on.
There is no possibility according to any law in the world to blame the one who was hurt without blaming the one who hurt!
Such laws were used in Sodom and Gomorrah! They do not exist today anywhere in the world!
2)
Indeed the rules and laws come to serve someone.
In a democratic country they come to serve the public.
A service that is not for the benefit of the public but for the benefit of certain people (those with blue blood, those with a high level of income, etc.) belongs to the framework of feudal rules and laws.
Sorry, artificial islands in Dubai, of course, not in Abu Dhabi (Dubai went bankrupt following such megalomaniac projects, including the tallest tower in the world, and Abu Dhabi saved it with huge loans)
The first thing that I don't understand when thinking about building on islands is that there is still a lot of free space in the Negev and therefore why aren't they considering building the proposed projects in the Negev?
L-B, if you buy a car and didn't check well then it's your fault! There is a rule in the US called "buyer beware!" This is a rule that is also true for the cases you brought up as examples. True, it is possible to say that the USA is a capitalist swine and this rule is also meant to serve the American car companies or vegetable sellers, but there is no end to such an argument... because it can be said about every economic rule that it is meant to serve someone and it is true, the economic rules are always meant to serve someone because that they were invented by humans and not by natural forces.
And speaking of natural forces, the committee should really examine what happened to the artificial islands in Abu Dhabi...
And the citizen is not part of the decision!
democracy?
A stupid idea, and an introduction to problems, the only case where we built a wharf (not an island) in Israel, was in Isero Kesaria, but since there are huge currents, with drifts coming from the Nile Delta, everything will collapse and there will be huge problems, in short, maintaining such an island might be effective elsewhere, But to build an island on the shores of the country is simply a revelation to the forces of nature, and a completely stupid decision, you can understand the Japanese that this is a country of millions of people that prefers its airport in the sea, but building it for housing is the height of stupidity. Also note that in the Gulf countries most of the islands that were built turned out to be a terrible decision Because the movement of the water on the island was wrong and the water flow was blocked, which will require more investments of billions, but there are billionaires there who can continue to invest more and more, there are really no such people in the country who can pour billions and after that continue throwing more billions, and you will understand if the works are not done on time on one side, So the whole project can fall, and become an ecological problem.
Yaki:
blue greens or yellows.
What does it belong to?
Wind turbines can and have been erected in many places.
You don't need to build an island to run wind turbines!
in fact :
Almost every roof in Israel can already today carry electrical installations.
In practice, very few such facilities were built.
And the question arises:
why?
And this is just one of many questions that the public in Israel is waking up and starting to ask.
The green bodies should be allowed to pedal 24/7
If they want to protect the environment so much then please build dozens of bicycles connected to generators and let them pedal until their legs break.
They don't understand that an electricity company is collapsing for lack of fuel and wind turbines are needed on these islands.
They should be happy moving all the stations to these islands which means there is no pollution in an inhabited area.
Bunch of those green fools. Because of them we pay twice as much for electricity today.
For markets:
1)
If you buy fruit at the market and when you get home you see that the fruit is rotten, who will you blame?
You haven't checked yourself?
do you sell the fruit
The bacteria that caused the rot?
If you buy a car and after an inspection it turns out that this car had a fault, who will you blame?
You haven't checked yourself?
you are familiar?
Are you the manufacturer?
You seem confused.
Blame the one who is guilty and not the one who was hurt!
The discussion about what the victim was supposed to do is not relevant at all!
2)
It seems that the public in Israel is waking up to a new era.
An era in which the public will be much more involved in decisions.
And hopefully the decisions that will be made will be much more democratic and much more suitable for the public good!
If you have already mentioned Ben-Dov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4zXAfhbUZF8
Regarding the pension and Ben-Dev, the one who is to blame, and the one who can solve the problems is the Israeli consumer, he should vote with his feet and leave pension funds that do not conduct a comprehensive examination of which insurances they receive for which profit percentages. (Although it should be remembered that both in the case of Ben Dov and in the case of Tshuva, there were significant changes in the laws of the State of Israel that greatly reduced the profit of those companies during a time of a global economic crisis that made it difficult to raise money)
Ben Dov's bond from day one, seems like a risky and unreasonable deal relative to the interest rate received.
The problem is that Israeli consumers don't check, don't compare, and even after being beaten up, they just get angry and curse and the next day continue to go to the same writer, shop or pension fund (besides that even in a pension fund you can choose a route without risk).
In the US, if there is a 10 cents per gallon price difference at a gas station, people will drive 25 km more, in Israel who even checks prices, maybe pensioners...
And regarding the artificial islands, no one here knows yet, they haven't done a proper test yet, it could be great and it could be a bad idea, we need to make sure that the committee has professional people and according to the conclusions and the reasons for the conclusions, it will be possible to respond in a balanced way. In general, I am happy that you are thinking about large and long-term projects in the country, even if this specific project turns out to be unprofitable.
It's in Israel?
democracy?
Does the commenter bring Zuckerberg as an example? We will pay him back with Ben-Dov, who bought a very successful communications company, with the respondent's pension funds (among other things), cut his coupon, lost the respondent's pension funds and the communications company, but kept the coupon. This and the description of the blessed activity of the other Israeli tycoons is called "communist demagoguery" in the language of "capitalist demagoguery".
There is nothing wrong with capitalists investing huge capital in the construction of artificial islands and profiting (or trying to profit) from a hotel on board. The problem is if the state funds are invested in the project, and then the project is sold to the tycoon in charge, who in Israel further increases and finances it from the pension funds of the respondent with the false consciousness.
All of this depends, of course, on examining the environmental effects these islands may have. Building an Inn for a billion and a half dollars is one thing, dealing with beach erosion (for example) at a cost of five billion dollars (from public funds, of course) is a completely different thing.
"Demo and dicta sisters" - already tired of all this communist demagoguery.
The rich and the urge to get rich are what drive the economy and only in a capitalist environment does an individual have the ability to get rich (according to Zuckerberg)
If we all worked in government companies, then believe me the money would not go to education, it would go to 100% corruption and 1000% exploitation that would not lead to anything (according to the Soviet Union).
It is very desirable that someone private build there so that private people like me and you will have a job.
But as usual what will happen is that if and when, these islands will strengthen and serve the hedonistic and mentally rotten capitalists. Only for infrastructure? Nonsense. Soon all kinds of buildings, hotels, restaurants will be built there so that some will make a profit from it. And the naive upper-middle class will finance them.
If even in a democracy it happens that a minority exploits and controls the majority, then all these legends about the rule of the people are a sin. The people have no ability to rule, they are mostly ignorant, they don't bother at all with such issues, they do what they tell them, they are divided and divided into groups. Democracy is an illusion, at least here.