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Who is an agnostic?

What is an agnostic? - Essay by Bertrand Russell (1953)

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From Wikipedia – The Free Encyclopedia In Hebrew וin English: Bertrand Russell lived between 1872-1970, was a philosopher, historian, logician, mathematician, pacifist, supported social reform, and vacillated between the theological views of agnostics and atheists. In 1950, Russell was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature, "as a token of appreciation for his special writing and his work in humanitarian fields and freedom of thought". The article "What is an Agnostic?" Published in 1953.

What is an agnostic?
An agnostic thinks that it is not possible to know the truth in matters related to God and the future of life [or the soul], the matters that preoccupy Christianity and other religions. Or, if not completely impossible, then impossible in the present, at the moment [a position known as weak agnosticism].

Are agnostics atheists?
No. An atheist, like a Christian, believes that we can know whether or not God exists. The Christian believes that we can know that there is a God; The atheist - that we can know that there is not. The agnostic withholds judgment, he says there is not enough evidence to confirm or disprove. At the same time, an agnostic may think that the existence of some god, though not impossible, is highly improbable; He may even think that such an existence is so improbable, that it is not at all appropriate to consider it practically. In that case, he is not so far from atheism. His attitude is perhaps similar to that of a cautious philosopher towards the gods of ancient Greece. If I were asked to prove that Zeus and Poseidon and Hera and the other Olympian gods did not exist, I would be at a loss, certainly to find a decisive and final argument. An agnostic might think that the Christian God is as unlikely as the gods on Olympus; In that case he is, in all practical respects, in the same boat as the atheists.

Since you deny the "laws of God", what authority do you accept as a guide to behavior?
An agnostic does not assume any 'authority' over him, in the sense that religious people assume one. He believes that man must think about behavioral questions himself. Of course, he will seek to learn from the wisdom of others, but he will be forced to choose for himself the people he considers wise, and even their words he will not treat as if they were indisputable. He will notice that what is commonly thought of as "God's laws" changes from time to time. The Bible says that a widow must not marry her dead husband's brother, and also, under certain circumstances, she must do so. If you had the unfortunate fate of being a childless widow with a bachelor brother-in-law, you cannot (logically) avoid breaking the "laws of God".

How do you know what is good and what is evil? What does the agnostic consider a sin?
Unlike some Christians, the agnostic is not so sure what is good and what is evil. He does not believe that people who disagree with the government on obscure [difficult, unclear] points in theology deserve to suffer a painful death, as most Christians used to think. He is against persecution, and his attitude towards moral condemnation is quite cautious and selective.

As for 'sin', he believes that it is not a very useful concept. He will agree, of course, that there are desirable and undesirable ways of behaving. But he holds the opinion that the undesirable types of behavior should be punished only if the purpose of such punishment is deterrence or for the purpose of corrective behavior, and not when the punishment is the result of the mindset that believes that the punishment is a good deed for its own sake - that the wicked must suffer and fast. It was the belief in retributive punishment that made mankind accept hell. This is part of the damage done as a result of the idea of ​​'sin'.
Does an agnostic do whatever he wants?
On the one hand, no; On the other hand, everyone does as much as they can. Let's assume, for the sake of discussion, that you hate someone so intensely that you want to murder them. Why don't you do that? You might answer: "Because religion tells me that murder is a sin." But, as a proven statistical fact, agnostics are no more likely to commit murder than other people, in fact, they are slightly less likely to do so. They have motives to avoid murder, just like the rest of the people. At the top of the list is the fear of punishment. In lawless situations, such as the gold rush, many people will commit crimes even though under normal conditions they would obey the laws. The deterrence is not from the legal punishment alone; There is also the discomfort and the constant fear of discovery, and the loneliness of knowing that you have to wear a mask even among your dearest and closest to you, in order to avoid being hated. In addition to all of these there is also what can be called a "conscience": if you have ever considered murder, you will be wary of the horrible memory of your victim's last words or dead body. Granted, these all depend largely on the fact that you live in a law-abiding community, but there are ample reasons for creating and maintaining such a community.

I said that there is another sense in which each person does as much as he can. Only the fool will want every urge or satisfy every impulse, but what restrains that desire? another desire. Man's antisocial wishes may be restrained by the wish to please God, but they can also be restrained by the wish to please his fellows, or to gain the respect of his community, or to be able to think for himself without feeling sick. But if he has no wishes of this kind, the abstract ideas of morality will not prevent him from deviating from the straight path.

What is the agnostic's attitude towards the Bible?
The attitude of the agnostic towards the Bible is no different from the attitude of an enlightened priest towards it. He does not think it is a divine revelation; He believes that this is ancient legendary history, and in that sense no more accurate or correct than the writings of Homer; He holds the opinion that the moral commands, as they are expressed there, are sometimes good, but sometimes very bad. For example: Shmuel commanded Saul, during a war, to kill not only every man, woman and child of the enemy, but also all the sheep and cattle. but Saul left the sheep and cattle alive, and that is why we are told to speak against him. Personally, I have never been able to admire Elisha for this who cursed the children who laughed at him, or to believe (as the Bible claims) that a benevolent question will send two bears to kill the children.

What is the attitude of the agnostic towards Jesus, the virgin birth, or the Holy Trinity?
Since an agnostic does not believe in God, he cannot think that Jesus was God. Most agnostics admire the life and moral preaching of Jesus, as told in the books of the Christian gospel (The Gospels), but not necessarily more than other people's lives or sermons. Some would place him in the same line with Buddha, some in the same line with Socrates, and others with Abraham Lincoln. Nor will the agnostics hold the view that his words are not open to discussion and debate, since they do not accept any authority as absolute.

As for the virgin birth, they see it as a doctrine taken from mythology the pagan - Name Such births were not uncommon especially. (spoken Zoroaster born a virgin; Ishtar, the Mesopotamian goddess, is called "the Holy Virgin".) Agnostics cannot believe in the phenomenon, or the doctrine of the Trinity, because neither is possible without belief in God.

Can an agnostic be a Christian?
The word "Christian" carried a different meaning in different periods. During most of the centuries, since the time of the crucified, the word meant a person who believed in God and immortality, and who held the belief that the crucified was God. but The Unitarians They call themselves Christians, even though they do not believe in the holiness of the cross, and these days many people use the word "God" in a less precise sense than the one it carried until now. Many people who say they believe in God today do not mean a person or personality, or a trinity of people or personalities, but only a vague trend of power or purpose inherent in the process of evolution. Others, who go even further, see "Christianity" as nothing more than a set of moral rules, and because they are ignorant of history, imagine that it is unique and characterizes only Christians.

When I wrote, in a recently published book, that all the world needs is "love, Christian love, or compassion," many people thought this indicated changes in my worldview, although in truth, I might have said the same at any other time. If by "Christian" you mean a person who loves his neighbor, a person who sympathizes with suffering, who passionately desires a world free from the cruelty and abominations that corrupt it in the present, then absolutely, rightly one can be called a Christian. Also, in this sense, I think you will find many more "Christians" among the agnostics and among the Orthodox. Unfortunately, from my point of view, I cannot accept such a definition. Apart from a few other objections, it would be rude to Jews, Buddhists, Moslems, and other non-Christians, who, as history so far shows, have been no less concerned than Christians in the practice of those virtues, which some modern Christians arrogantly claim as the uniqueness of their religion.

Also, I think that all those who called themselves Christians in the past, and a large majority of those who call themselves that today, would consider belief in God and immortality to be an essential part of the Christian person. For these reasons, I will not call myself a Christian, and for the same reasons I will say that an agnostic cannot be a Christian. But, if the word "Christianity" were to evolve and somehow be used in the sense of nothing more than a type of morality, then it would certainly be possible for an agnostic to also be a Christian.

Does an agnostic deny that man has a soul?
This question has no precise meaning unless we define the word "soul." I assume it means, roughly speaking, something immaterial that exists consistently throughout one's life and even forever, for those who believe in immortality. If this is the intention, it is unlikely that an agnostic would believe that man has a soul. But I hasten to add that this does not mean that the agnostic is necessarily from a materialist. Many agnostics (and I am among them) are skeptical of the existence of the body as well as the existence of a soul, but this is a long story that will lead us into complicated metaphysics. Both thought and matter, he says, are only convenient symbols for discourse, not things that actually exist.

Does the agnostic believe in the afterlife, heaven or hell?
The question 'Do people survive death?' It is the type of question where evidence can be presented. Many consider psychics and spiritualism to be movements that provide such evidence. An agnostic, as such, does not hold an opinion about survival or non-survival unless he thinks there is evidence for one side or the other. For my part, I do not think there is good reason to believe that we survive death, but I am open to persuasion if sufficient evidence comes to light.

Heaven and hell are another matter. Belief in hell is closely related to the belief that retributive punishment of sin is a good thing, quite independently of the behavioral correction or deterrent effect that may or may not accompany such punishment. There is almost no agnostic who believes this. As for heaven, it is possible to imagine a situation in which sometime in the future evidence will be discovered as to its existence through spiritualism, but most agnostics think that such evidence does not exist, and as a result do not believe in the existence of heaven.

Aren't you afraid of God's judgment for denying his existence?
definitely not. I also deny the existence of Zeus and Jupiter and Odin and Brahma, but this does not cause me any qualms. I observe that a very large portion of the human race do not believe in God and yet suffer no visible punishment as a result. Also, if there was a God, I think it is unlikely that he would be so proud that he would be offended by those who doubt his existence.

How does the agnostic explain the beauty and harmony of nature?
I do not understand where the spoken "beauty" and "harmony" are supposed to be found. Along the food chain, the animals prey on each other mercilessly. Most animals are brutally killed by other animals or suffer the prolonged agony of starvation. For my part, I am unable to see any great beauty, or wonderful harmony in a tapeworm. Please do not say that this creature was sent as a punishment for our sins, because it is more common among the animals than among the people. I guess the questioner is thinking about things like the beauty of the starry sky. But we must remember that the stars, from time to time and on not a few occasions, explode and reduce everything near them to a hazy dot. Anyway, beauty is a subjective matter that is only in the eye of the beholder.

How does the agnostic explain miracles and other revelations of the Shekinah's unlimited capacity?
Agnostics believe that there is no evidence of "miracles" of any kind, in the sense of phenomena that contradict the laws of nature. We know that faith healing happens and that it is not miraculous, by any means. B-Lourdes [a city famous for the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and for the miracles that occur there], some diseases are curable and others are not. Those that can be relaxed in Lourdes can probably be relaxed anywhere else where the patient has full confidence in his doctor. As for the records of other miracles, as Joshua who commanded the sun to stand still, the agnostic dismisses them as fables and points to the fact that all religions are full of such fables. There are at least the same number of testimonies to the powers of the Greek gods in the writings of Homer, as the number of testimonies to the Christian God in the Bible.

There were vile and cruel passions to which religion opposed. If we abandon religious principles, will humanity be able to exist?
The existence of vile and cruel passions is not in doubt, but I find no evidence in history that religion has opposed such passions. On the contrary, she sanctified them, thus allowing people to comply with them without any remorse. Cruel persecutions used to be more common in the Christian kingdom than anywhere else. The justification for persecution, it seems, is dogmatic belief. Kindness and tolerance will increase only in proportion to the decline of dogmatic belief. In our time, a new dogmatic religion arose, let's say, Communism. To this religion, as to other dogmatic systems, the agnostic opposes. The persecutory nature of communism today is just like the persecutory nature of Christianity in previous centuries. And the fact that Christianity became less persecutory, which must be attributed to the free thinkers who reduced the dogmatism of the dogmatist. If these were dogmatists in these days as they were in the past, they would still think it right to put a heretic on the stake. The spirit of tolerance, which some modern Christians see as the essence of Christianity, is actually the product of a mindset that allows doubt and is suspicious of absolute certainties. I think anyone who examines history impartially will find that religion has caused more suffering, not prevented it.

For an agnostic, what is the meaning of life?
I feel obliged to answer through another question: What is the meaning of 'the meaning of life'? I guess the intention is some kind of general purpose. I don't think life in general has any purpose. They just happen. But human beings as individuals have goals, and there is nothing in agnosticism that would make them abandon those goals. Of course, there is no guarantee that they will be able to achieve the results they are aiming for; But you will not look kindly on a soldier who is ready to fight only on the condition that victory is certain. The man who needs religion to support his own ends is a fool, and I cannot think well of him as the man who takes his chances, even when he admits that defeat is not impossible.

Doesn't the rejection of religion entail the rejection of marriage and chastity?
Here too, I must answer with another question: Does the person asking this question believe that marriage and chastity contribute to earthly happiness, here below, or does he think that while they cause misery here below, they should be advocated as a means to reach heaven? The person who holds the second view will, no doubt, expect that agnosticism will lead to the decline of what he calls good measure. But he will have to admit that the thing he calls good measure does not contribute to the happiness of the human race on earth. If, on the other hand, he holds the first opinion, we suppose, that there are external arguments in favor of marriage and chastity, he will have to admit that the arguments are such as would appeal to the agnostic. Agnostics, as such, do not hold definite views regarding sexual morality. But most will admit that there are valid arguments against unbridled gratification of sexual desires. But they will arrive at these arguments through external sources, and not through any assumption of divine commands.

Is belief in opinion alone not dangerous? Isn't the mind defective and imperfect without spiritual and moral laws?
No sane person, however agnostic, has "faith in opinion alone." The mind deals with facts, how distinct and how hard. The questions whether there is life after death, and whether there is a God, refer to matters of fact, and the agnostic will hold the opinion that they should be investigated in the same way as the question, "Will there be an eclipse of the sun tomorrow?" But facts alone are not enough to determine actions, because they do not reveal to us what goals we should strive for. On the level of goals, we need something other than the mind. The agnostic will find his goals in his own heart, and not in external commands. Let's illustrate things: suppose you want to take a train from New York to Chicago; You will use your mind to find out when the trains are running, and the person who thinks he has some faculty of reason or intuition that allows him to ignore the timetable will be considered a fool. But no timetable will tell him that this is wise, he will have to take into account other matters related to the facts; But behind all the facts there are the goals that he considers worthy, and these, for the agnostic as for other people, belong to a different plane than that of the mind, even though there is no reason for them to be opposed. The plane I'm talking about is the plane of emotions, feelings and passions.

הIf you see all religions as a kind of superstition or dogma? Of the existing religions, which religion do you have the most respect for, and why?
All major organized religions that dominated large populations were tainted to one degree or another by dogmatism, but "religion" is a word without a particularly precise meaning. Confucianism, for example, may be called a religion, although it is not related to any dogma. Even in some forms of liberal Christianity, the dogmatic element is reduced to a minimum.

Of all the great religions of history, I prefer Buddhism, especially in its earliest forms, because there was the least element of persecution.

Like agnosticism, communism is also opposed to religion. Are the agnostics communists?
Communism is not opposed to religion. He only opposes the Christian religion, just like Islam. Communism, at least in the form supported by the Soviet government and the Communist Party, is a new dogmatic system, of a strange, particularly violent and oppressive kind. Therefore, every true agnostic must oppose it.

Does the agnostic think that science and religion cannot be reconciled?
The answer depends on the question, what is meant by "religion." If the intention is a purely moral system, it can be reconciled with science. If the intention is a system of dogma, which is considered a truth that cannot be doubted, then it is contrary to the scientific spirit, which refuses to accept facts without evidence and holds the opinion that absolute certainty is almost always impossible.

What evidence will convince you that God exists?
I think that if I were to hear a voice from heaven predicting everything that was going to happen to me during the next twenty-four hours, including events that seem very improbable, and if all these events were to occur, then I might be convinced of the existence of some superhuman intelligence. I can imagine other such evidence that might convince me, but to my knowledge no such evidence exists.

43 תגובות

  1. Wow, how many poor people in one cluster are worse than the street houses, there are homeless and there are BRAIN-LESS and they all concentrated here

  2. I have never read an article so far that explains so well what I think from the age of 15 to 42.

  3. First I would like to thank whoever took the trouble to translate this article on Bertrand Russell. Because he is a man, and an interesting philosopher who definitely allows one to exercise the mind and ask questions following his words.
    And as an eternal questioner, I was once given a rare opportunity to ask God Himself what He thought of all religions. And in general I asked him who he thinks is the correct and most reliable religion of all the religions he created? And the answer I received from God was surprising! He answered me that he understood the question, but could not answer me about it, because he himself is not religious.

  4. God is a human invention, of that there is no doubt. And not even very ancient.
    If there is a purposeful force in the universe - and agnosticism does not deny this - there is no reason to call it by name, and there is no reason for us to worship it by performing mitzvot or any other form of idolatry.
    If there is a purposeful force in the universe - it is possible that it is the reason for the formation and movement of the universe as it is - but it is likely that it is not interested in our Shabbat keeping habits, our kashrut habits, and our relationships with each other.
    In other words - if there is an unknown intentional force in the universe - it is likely to be indifferent to moral matters.

    +++++++

    To Anonymous - don't brag that you have no questions at all. You should be ashamed of that.
    It presents you as a rut-walking donkey that has no thinking of its own.

  5. Do not yell !!! I just discovered that I have been an agnostic for years
    I just didn't bother to find out what it was exactly...

  6. What a fight..
    Apparently humans will remain humans and it doesn't matter what their belief or disbelief is...
    People, Tranquila.. duality? OMG

  7. You can keep evading an answer.
    I knew beforehand that you would.

    I do not know. Maybe you ask questions only when you know the answer but in general - a question is designed to fill a need for knowledge when the knowledge is lacking.
    When you answer that the question is a question of lack of knowledge you are not actually saying anything.

    In fact - it is clear to me that you really only ask questions about things that you already know the answer to.
    That's why you demonstrate the same knowledge you already had on the day you were born.

  8. As I told you before, these questions are questions of lack of knowledge. You have a lot to complete before you understand them, rather than teaching on one foot.
    You use my reluctance to mediate with you as an excuse to escape from the truth...
    It's not my job, there are qualified people for that, don't be lazy.
    I will make it easy for you, Kab……….to:
    Some history:
    http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%9D_(%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%92%D7%95%D7%9F)
    Values:
    http://www.arachim.org/ErrorPage.asp

    DA...with a little Torah wouldn't have expressed itself like that, you need it, maybe more than that
    which you will see.

  9. You are not only a fool - you are also a liar.
    After all, you have questions - I asked you questions for which you have no answer and you don't stop evading

  10. Michael Rothschild:
    Your true nature comes out with every message that passes... I didn't use any derogatory words in the whole conversation with you, I don't think you're a fool because of the way you choose to go,
    On the contrary, I really appreciate people who stick to a certain way and I don't care if they are gnostics or atheists.
    I still think you are the one with the questions and therefore you should look for the answers :)
    I have no questions, I am sure of my path, and if I had questions, I would also "look through the garbage" for answers... (the truth)
    But as we said before, there are the lazy and there are the cowards...
    And again, good luck with the "values" :)

  11. moron:
    I know what an organization of values ​​is but you are not even able to understand when you are being laughed at.
    You haven't given an answer yet.
    If the answers are in "values" or "moons" or "absurdities" - bring them from there and don't send me to dig through the garbage.

  12. Michael Rothschild:
    We are once again faced with a lack of knowledge...
    "Values" a repentance organization that answers your questions :) (unpleasant...)
    And you didn't tell me anything with all these links...every house has a utility room, even among the ultra-Orthodox.
    And I don't think that the rest of the non-Orthodox public (sorry, I'm correcting) I'm sure that the non-Orthodox and secular public have the same thing and even more, we are all human beings with the same desires, only that the Torah corrects the person, therefore in percentage terms the ultra-Orthodox have it less.
    And again I see that you are coming from a point of anger, all these links prove it... it really bothers you that it is with the ultra-orthodox that you forget that it is worse with the seculars, I am corresponding with you and I do not feel
    A hint of perhaps a doubt of hatred for any person who is different from me, and you really answer with anger, brother.
    There is the "Values" organization and if you really want answers, this is the address :)
    Go to the Internet and you will find them and we will see what your opinion will be after you talk to someone there.
    Successfully .

  13. And something about your values:
    Just for fun - some examples of the contribution of religion in the fields of morality:
    This man went to the synagogue every morning:
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3757590,00.html
    This man committed the acts of Sodom and said - "holy commandments":
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3750221,00.html
    Here is another thoughtful and nice act - the sidewalks in Mea Shearim are forbidden to women:
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/1/1529900
    Haredi neighborhoods that have become a hiding place for kidnapped children, abuse under the auspices of the Israeli bureaucracy:
    http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=654072&sid=126
    How does it happen that the name of rabbis is associated with money laundering in the amount of millions and managing a mafia network that rolls black money free of tax? How is it possible that Gezel gets kosher since he was made 'for heaven's sake'"? Israel Wellman with the historical roots of the blasphemy of the Great God:
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3752986,00.html
    The mother who had sex with her children aged 7 and 11, while her husband was in the synagogue:
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/54/ART1/918/806.html
    The boy continued to rape children when he was under house arrest:
    http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?w=/1/1522572
    snake bite snake:
    http://www.haredim.co.il/ViewArticleVideos.aspx?itmID=898
    Rabbis traded organs from Israel
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//1525303&m=1&mid=71169
    The predatory driver is helped by the predatory judge:
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-3750988,00.html
    44 people were arrested, including a number of rabbis. According to the suspicion, money was received from organ trading and also from the sale of fake "Gucci" and "Prada" bags
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3751533,00.html
    Dozens of serious complaints about beatings and sexual exploitation of children for repentant families have been filed against Torah Talmud people:
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/920/820.html
    This man went to the synagogue every morning:
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3757590,00.html
    This man committed the acts of Sodom and said - "holy commandments":
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3750221,00.html
    Here is another thoughtful and nice act - the sidewalks in Mea Shearim are forbidden to women:
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/1/1529900
    Haredi neighborhoods that have become a hiding place for kidnapped children, abuse under the auspices of the Israeli bureaucracy:
    http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=654072&sid=126
    How does it happen that the name of rabbis is associated with money laundering in the amount of millions and managing a mafia network that rolls black money free of tax? How is it possible that Gezel gets kosher since he was made 'for heaven's sake'"? Israel Wellman with the historical roots of the blasphemy of the Great God:
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3752986,00.html
    The mother who had sex with her children aged 7 and 11, while her husband was in the synagogue:
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/54/ART1/918/806.html
    The boy continued to rape children when he was under house arrest:
    http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?w=/1/1522572
    snake bite snake:
    http://www.haredim.co.il/ViewArticleVideos.aspx?itmID=898
    Rabbis traded organs from Israel
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//1525303&m=1&mid=71169
    The predatory driver is helped by the predatory judge:
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-3750988,00.html
    44 people were arrested, including a number of rabbis. According to the suspicion, money was received from organ trading and also from the sale of fake "Gucci" and "Prada" bags
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3751533,00.html
    Dozens of serious complaints about beatings and sexual exploitation of children for repentant families have been filed against Torah Talmud people:
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/920/820.html
    http://bhol-forums.co.il/topic.asp?cat_id=4&topic_id=2788217&forum_id=771
    http://www.mynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3743550,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3744163,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3743686,00.html
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/22/1514662
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/912/007.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-98368,00.html
    http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/spages/1097050.html
    Shortening a long link
    http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=646627&sid=126
    http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000474535&fid=2&nl=2
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/907/770.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3735958,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3735758,00.html
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/54/ART1/890/241.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3733407,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3732621,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3732197,00.html
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/895/077.html
    http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/3/1492238
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3718156,00.html
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/892/782.html
    http://www.mako.co.il/news-law/legal/Article-be48c1e22e45121004.htm&sCh=3d385dd2dd5d4110&pId=978777604
    http://www.mynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3711940,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3713096,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3710509,00.html
    http://www.mynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3707925,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3705849,00.html
    http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3704416,00.html

  14. Ok
    got it.
    So you have no answers.
    I also know your lack of values ​​and there is no point in continuing the conversation

  15. Michael Rothschild:
    You're right, it's a waste of time.
    Are you talking out of anger so you can check why?
    And it is true that they are called by different names, but the reason I told you to see response 14 is so that you understand
    That the explanation here is not correct about agnostics...it sounds more like an atheist.
    And the questions you asked show a lack of knowledge... you have a lot to learn. If you seriously want answers
    There are "values" for that :)

  16. Moshe Gadalia:
    I don't know how you interpret things as if it were an atheist, but that's not what it's about.
    That's why it's a separate word.
    You are welcome to look at any source from the dictionary to Wikipedia.
    Of course, in my opinion, the atheist position is much more reasonable, but your statements prove that it is a shame to waste your time at all.
    You call basing yourself on some stale book that the only reason you have for thinking it was written by God is superstition and that all the facts show that it was written by humans and not even the smartest humans called "seeking the truth"!
    you made me laugh
    Tell me on this occasion:
    Is it true that the rabbit lives?
    Is it true that the Euphrates and Tigris come from a common source?
    Is it true that Noah built an ark the size of Petah Tikva and floated in it on water that flooded the whole world and reached above the peak of the Ararat Mountains, which rises to a height of 5 km?
    Is it true that this water disappeared from the earth after the flood?

    Tell me more about your search for truth.
    I love jokes!

  17. Michael Rothschild:
    Read comment 14...according to the description here it looks more like an atheist.
    And now a bit of history ..the book was not written by other people thousands of years ago but by God and it is not the "opinion of others".
    And a person who is afraid to take on a burden and avoids seeking the truth is called a coward (he is afraid of what will happen after he knows the truth) and this is understandable because it is difficult to work on yourself,
    Or maybe he is called lazy who doesn't want commitment, this is also understandable, it is also human nature.
    And if you pay attention and read again, you will see that more or less the answer to everything is "there is no evidence that yes, but there is no evidence either."
    Proof that "philosophy in a dime" is not...

  18. Moshe Gadalia:
    You didn't hurt my feelings. You were just talking nonsense.
    An agnostic is someone who does not know whether there is a God or not.
    This is the one thing that agnostics have in common.
    It does not belong to how the country is run and his opinions are surely more grounded than those of a person who replaces his opinions with the opinions of other people who wrote some book thousands of years ago.

  19. Michael Rothschild:
    I understand that I hurt your feelings...sorry.
    And as you know, a good defense is an attack :) And if it does that to you then .. Moshe Gadalia, very nice; )

  20. anonymous:
    It is quite clear why you are so ashamed of your opinions that you hide behind the mask of anonymity.
    Your shame is justified.

  21. This thing called agnostic is actually nothing because they do not follow any path and only according to their own opinion
    Understand for yourself what would happen if the country was run by a person with such views...

  22. The man is simply a genius!!! It's a pleasure to read some sense after a long time of insanity - just great fun!!!
    I wish one day that all the people in this world would be like him - the world would really be quieter and more peaceful...
    More the better!!!

  23. A short answer to "what's new":
    As you have already been answered in general about everything, I will answer you specifically about the matter of prayer.
    The course of a man's life follows some kind of "general script" but is subject to his closeness to God.
    When a person prays, he entrusts certain matters to God and draws closer to Him through those matters so that he is no longer the same person as he was before the prayer. And from here, so to speak, comes a change in the Creator's decision.

    You can give an example for example that a person who has a certain degree of anger is going to get angry if this or that situation arises. But if he improves this measure, he has changed a parameter in this whole equation and then he is likely to react differently.

    on the tip of the fork.

  24. Everything is fine and dandy. But why is he called an agnostic - he is a pure atheist, and that's enough
    I have the answer to the last question to claim it.

  25. point:
    You do not respond to my words.
    You asked what one would call someone who thinks X and I said that everyone thinks X, so there is no need to name someone who thinks X by a special name.
    And what do you say in your answer? You say - right - everyone thinks X

    Do you agree with me, if so?

  26. In order to say "exists in another place" you have to have a certain metaphysics about the things in the world, most people do not understand or deal with it (if at all it is possible). Therefore, it turns out that there is no real difference between the common religious and the common secular. It happened that he was born in a religious home, and this one was born in a secular home. Not significant or principled.

  27. point:
    What you describe is true for every person.
    Everyone knows that God exists among the concepts stored in the brain.
    What distinguishes a believer, an atheist and an agnostic is the answer he gives to the question of whether God also exists elsewhere.

  28. What will one call who thinks that God exists in the minds (in the soul) of those who think about Him just as the other things that we practice and experience (emotions, hallucinations, facts, knowledge, etc.) exist in their minds.

  29. I am an agnostic myself and the description here is more inclined to an atheistic view than an agnostic one

  30. Thanks for the translation.
    In my opinion, the question of whether Russell is an agnostic or an atheist is a less important quibble.
    What is important is that Russell ignored the wisdom of Kierkegaard who said that the relationship to the absolute determines the relationship to morality.
    My intention is that some kind of faith is necessary to be a moral person, but it is desirable that a person be aware of the need to question even the things that are sacred to him. For example, many of the traditionalists sanctify the "wisdom of the ages" which is expressed in religious laws, even if it is clear that not everything that was true in the past is still true today. Liberal secularists sanctify the "value of life" without questioning modern medicine which also creates a great deal of suffering at the cost of a great deal of money.
    In short, God, as the ultimate absolute, is often a hypothesis whose abandonment will not contribute much to philosophers but may come at a high social cost.

  31. I believed everything he said one to one once and I had no idea that someone founded it as a belief so that means I'm really agnostic
    he is smart

  32. I also read, including 'Mahomet God'. I agree with your request to the science editor and especially material on the conflict with the scientific rational around God.

  33. Hi,

    Gal, thank you for the successful translation of this interesting article.
    I just finished reading the book The History of God by Karen Armstrong, so this topic spoke to my heart.
    I'm interested to know, how did you get the translation of this article? Can you recommend other sources in the field?

  34. Answer to why new

    The issue (at least in Judaism) is not as simple/simplistic as you present.
    One of the simple answers to your question is the well-known rule "everything is in the hands of God except the fear of God".
    That is, everything is predetermined except for those things related to faith in God - these things (including prayers) are not subject to God's control.
    But this rule also raises many other questions.
    I would recommend you to read a little more about the variety of relationships in Judaism to the deterministic approach.
    I personally (as a non-agnostic and non-atheist) have a slightly different approach.
    If you have any further questions my email is gilital1@nana.co.il

  35. In the matter of the agnostic's atheism, the words of my predecessor in the discussion (Yacob) are relevant, because agnosticism is a person's recognition of the lack of the ability to judge and evaluate any opinion on matters or questions that go beyond the realm of human experience.
    And this is the opposite of the way of atheists or believers and religious people who hold that they have the ability to know (gnosis is knowledge)

  36. In my opinion, you will not be able to convince any religious person of this. Because religion is not a rational thing.

  37. A question about the relationship between man and God
    If God is past, present and future and he is omnipotent then:
    Everything was planned in advance
    Why do people go to pray? The prayers won't help because everything is predetermined.
    If a prayer was accepted then it would be the destruction of the universe because a change in one plan would bring down everything!
    Or it's as if God has announced a mistake.
    I would love to receive comments and know if I was wrong.

  38. But the whole text is about agnosticism refraining from expressing an opinion about the affairs of God, but being open to conviction

  39. Sorry for the chatter, I don't see Russell as an agnostic, since the definition of agnosticism is that these are those who think that the question of whether there is a God is not decisive, and therefore do not deal with the issue. and does not believe in him completely.

    Jacob ben Shaul

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