An announcement by the Torah Judaism party warns the party's voters against the fear that their children will learn about Euclid. and the world is silent. what is the next step? A halacha ruling that states that the sum of the angles in a triangle is 200 degrees? Opinion column.
כNobel laureate Prof. Dan Shechtman warns that the greatest threat is the extinction of core studies from ultra-Orthodox schools, is ignored. When I say this, and especially after I joined the Or party, they mock me and ask, "Is this the biggest problem in the country?"
It turns out that pluralism, i.e. letting everyone do what's on their mind and learn what's on their mind - will be bon ton. Now it's not me who says this, but they don't want their children to learn math and English, it's them themselves.
A proclamation from the Jewish Torah Party was rolled into our hands in which the following words were written: "Euclid. No, it's not the name of a medicine. It's a Greek mathematician that the child will learn about instead of learning Mishnah. After all, what does it really matter to us when we send them every day to Haider?" And later: "Education for values, good manners, fear of God, to instill in them from the dawn of their childhood the saying "Vahgit bo day and night". A government without Judaism will oblige your son to study outside. You must protect the next generation. We all must. We are all ultra-Orthodox. Choose C ."
As we saw in episode 55 of the series "Haunted Country", the appalling figures of the Taub Institute, ultra-orthodox education today constitutes 20% of the entire Israeli education system. It is also the fastest growing sector. In the first decade of the 21st century, it jumped by 57% compared to the stagnation of the state education system. And another figure for the picture (all the details in the linked article): the chances of a graduate of the ultra-orthodox education system to find some kind of job (even at minimum wage) are about 40%, like a secular or an Arab who completed zero to four years of schooling.
The desire of the ultra-Orthodox leaders to increase the dependence of their flock on the distribution money they bring (from our taxes by the way) will collapse Israel's economy. Leave for the moment the religious coercion, which has also grown to frightening proportions in the last decade, and let's think about the economic aspect of a million people who decide that they are an upper class and that the other seven million have to serve them. This weight is already weighing down Israel's economy. If they continue to treat Euclid as a curse, this is a clear recipe for doom.
Torah Judaism has already announced that its condition for entering the coalition is the continued elimination of core studies from their education system. It's a shame that the demand to unify the educational systems in Israel remained a niche for one party that they call delusional (and full disclosure, I'm running on its behalf, but I'm not doing it for the throne, but because I believe that the core studies are the most burning issue). When we become a third world country, maybe there will be someone who will come to the people of the "Or" party and say "sorry we made a mistake" the subject of core studies should be the main topic of the election campaign.
And by the way, what is the next step: the halacha ruling that the sum of the angles in a triangle is 200 degrees?
Thanks to Asaf Razon who uploaded the photo to Facebook.
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I wonder what the Gra would say about that.
The Gra - the Gaon Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilna is known for his sharpness and genius in the Torah.
The Department of Mathematics in Vilnius is named after him.
In fact, the genius from Vilna wrote one book in his life and it was called A Triple Ram which surprisingly deals with Euclidean mathematics (the same Euclid from the advertisement, Euclid yes, yes) and he even proves the Pythagorean theorem there.
All his other amazing books, including many Torah innovations, were written by his students.
I'm interested in what the GRA would say about this advertisement...
Mistake,
The publication is in Amsterdam
Previous generations of Haredim did not shy away from education, the following is published in Vilnius.
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:Euclid_Elements_Hague_1780.jpg
Note: The 'Eric' Hanel is not the usual Eric who comments here...
On the other hand,
I am not in my father's camp, but rather I understand why the above-mentioned propaganda undermines the credibility of the rabbis. After all, until a few decades ago, Jews studied sand studies at one level or another in order to get by in life (and even to understand the Torah itself). And today they claim:
1. That sand studies (and we are talking about calculus and engineering - not Islamic philosophy or theology) harm the faith.
2. Studying without work is the correct norm according to Judaism.
We, who remember a thing or two, know that this is simply not true. So how can you trust the rabbis and the tradition they allegedly hand down to us?
Please see something I wrote on my blog, concluding note #3:
http://lamalikra.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/blog-post_24.html
ארי
You are very wrong "No one has said (or at least I haven't heard one) that studying mathematics is impure or heretical in itself."
Math studies are considered "Greekness". And Euclid was very Greek…………….
I will try to summarize that there is no longer a matter of concern
We will all agree that it is necessary to raise the level of sand studies in the ultra-orthodox public. I accept the saying that sand studies are needed to get by in modern life.
The disputes about whether this is my father are about faith and, as a result, about the credibility of rabbis. The value of Torah culture. And to what extent to allow freedom of religion for believers versus the freedom of religion of non-believers.
Since we have no differences except in optimism about the future, I think that an ultra-Orthodox plan will be accepted and you will not.
Father I'm sorry if I hurt you, I didn't mean to. (as a response to me experimenting)
One answer to the claim about the Gra and Rambam and also to the claim how do they know it is Euclid.
No one said (or at least I didn't hear one) that studying mathematics is impure or heretical in itself.
The argument is that learning the Torah is more important and anyway they will probably say that there is no problem if a person learns a little math in old age after having studied a lot of Torah due to some need but there is a problem in teaching it to children and in particular all children.
On the other hand, I completed my full matriculation at a national religious school and was not tested on Greek mythology or ancient operas.
Even the little literature we were tested on (and it was mostly or only Jewish) whoever wanted could replace it with the thought of Israel, so it is very hard for me to believe that precisely in the minimal core studies they would decide to introduce a non-Jewish culture.
Searching the internet I found that core studies are:
Bible and Israel's heritage, citizenship, Hebrew, mathematics, science, English / Arabic
http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=35244
On the other hand
You are arrogant, and proud of your ignorance. You need to learn math to get by in modern life and not as a stepping stone to learning the Talmud. I have yet to see anyone receive a Nobel Prize for Talmud.
And as for the non-discrimination of women, it is true, there are many other problems such as wage discrimination, but they are not asked to sit separately on buses, they are not forbidden to sing, they can testify and even serve as judges in civil courts - unlike rabbinical courts, and the hand is tilted.
my father
I'm glad to hear you put up with the underdogs
(Discrimination against women is an issue in itself and in my opinion there is no discrimination in the religious community more than secular)
A Jewish state (the nation of all its citizens) like the state of Israel today needs to support learning to create a culture that is the culture of its people. Also, from the religious point of view, studying Torah has an additional meaning and it contributes to the general public.
gift
Gemara I repeat myself
I'm sorry that some of the things that were said to you were directed at my father.
I don't know if they will accept it is speculation for the future I think she will have a chance.
And according to what Eli Yishai says, they were the recipients of it
If you agree with why she wrote that you need to know math in order to learn Gemara? Regarding 5) you are once again changing what I wrote, I meant that I don't know what it is about and it has nothing to do with what I wrote. I wrote the leaders not the rabbis, the person who wrote the post that is being discussed here is their leaders and anyone who has a bit of sense and knows the affairs knows that they do not run these parties, they only use the rabbis so that the audience of the rabbis you call them will listen to them, and these people are interested in what I wrote Besides, you didn't answer what I asked. It seems to you that they will let them learn math and English if there is a program according to the requirements for the shock or it will just run away from learning it! To your question, I didn't talk about freedom of religion and it has nothing to do with what I wrote, but in any case it is clear that freedom is needed, only good has come out of it, what a "disaster" has come out of it, except that they stop forcing things on people that they don't want!
It is very desirable to also have religious freedom (limited - for example, it is forbidden to discriminate against women as in Judaism or, God forbid, to murder them as in Islam) but above all it is desirable to have freedom from religion. Anyone who does not want to take on the vain beliefs that someone 2000 years ago is from his imagination, should be free to do so.
In addition, freedom of religion also means that no faith is financed with public money. It's also fair because you wouldn't want us to fund Hari Krishna, would you? So why are you Baba Sally yes? It will also encourage the ultra-Orthodox to go to work.
There is no value in studying the Torah, nor is there any value in studying the New Testament, or the Koran. It is possible to know what is written in them as folklore, or as a cultural layer, but in the modern era there are enough means to live well without their limitations. And if you only see the hump of other religions but not yours, install a better mirror.
gift
1,2,3- I agree with other wordings but if the principle is I agree
4- Lack of flexibility is on both sides. The ultra-Orthodox side sees the program and the treatment of its people and is locked up. And on the other hand, the state is not flexible on its part. Both the importance of the vision and the desire to change the ultra-orthodox public.
(a desire that I think is wrong)
5- Will the ultra-Orthodox core program succeed in penetrating ultra-Orthodox institutions? Good question. She will surely have more success and it will be easier to force her and she will not create a fight between the parties.
"Mostly their leaders are not interested in them learning and all they want is to leave them ignorant to follow them zealously."
It's the same sentence as my father's and I don't accept it. The rabbis are people with a religious ideology who direct the public to a religious life. The derivatives are often a response to a hostile secular reality.
my father
Your opinions are from a lack of trust in the greatness of the Torah. and sweeping heresy in the foundations of religion.
I have respect for the Torah greats, that's why I don't attribute to them megalomania and I do believe that "the rabbis want to promote their people to a more Torah life that includes mitzvot observance at the highest standards."
I do not disbelieve in the fundamentals of religion, therefore I believe that the mitzvot were given from "heaven" and their purpose is not to strengthen the rabbi's control but to bring man closer to the way of the Creator.
I do differentiate between Jews and other religions and that is the basis of the debate here, we are discussing as if a person has freedom of religion. Therefore the principle is not the same principle and "(Christian) prayers do not work, but so do numerology, astrology and all irrational nonsense".
It is your right not to believe what you want but the discussion is under the freedom of religion therefore your statements are not acceptable.
A question for both of you, is it good for the country to have religious freedom or does it only spell disaster for society?
I'm sorry but I don't understand the following sentence: "Forgive me but I do not agree. The rabbis want to promote their people to a more Torah life that includes keeping mitzvot to the highest standards."
In practice, its meaning is - they want them not to get involved in their day-to-day life and leave the vanities such as their livelihood to others, and as for observing mitzvot, no one can fulfill all the mitzvot, for example kill all the seed of Amalek" If you examine the mitzvot you will see that, with the exception of a few, the majority are To limit the believer and his connections with the outside world precisely for the purpose of that control.
I do not differentiate between Jews, Christians, Buddhists, or believers from any of the hundreds or thousands of religions that exist or have existed. The principle is the same, so the prayer does not work whether it is said by a Christian or a Jew. What's more, we will also conduct an experiment in one of the hospitals in Israel.
By the way, not only prayers do not work, but also numerology, astrology and all irrational nonsense.
L. "On the other hand" I don't know what you meant "that you are the editor" I am not an editor on this site. 1) My argument was not about the core subjects as you call them the sand subjects, I just said that you don't need to know math in order to study Gemara and in Gemara there is no math in math, and that's only in a few places, that's all. 2) The fact that you say that the ultra-Orthodox who study hol studies, as you call them, study it at a low level is also true, but that's not what I meant. 3) The ultra-Orthodox don't usually learn high-level hol subjects because they don't take them seriously and look down on them, you say There are places that study seriously, but this is not true, and even if it is only a few places, let's consider the majority that study at a low level and don't even get to study mathematics. 4) Apart from that, you are talking about inflexibility. You are the ones who are not flexible and want everything a special program for you. 5) Regarding the core program, I do not know what exactly the problem was and what the Knesset members there argued about the curriculum, besides the fact that they do not study English at all Form is not even something according to your plan. Tell the truth, if there is a curriculum with the core subjects, you will write them and arrange the curriculum yourself. Do you think they will include it in their curriculum? I see that they are not interested in learning it, all they want is just to run away from learning what is needed, especially their leaders are not interested in them learning and all they want is to leave them ignorant to follow them fanatically.
I hope I am clear and sorry for digging in with a long response. Again I am not the editor.
gift
I appreciate you are the editor
I divide what you wrote into two parts
The necessity of studying mathematics to understand Gemara - I accept your position.
Your claim that education in the ultra-Orthodox world lacks depth and acquisition of specific professions.
I hope you're wrong and I'm sure there are places that are and there are places that aren't. The Rabbinic position is the one I intend to discuss. I want to show it in Eli Yishai's words. And this position supports the study of sand trades.
I agree that there should be a raising of standards in the ordinary subjects in ultra-Orthodox education and to create alignment for all.
The main point of my position expressed the inflexibility and willingness to compromise of the leaders of the core program.
This trend blocked the possibility of a sort of "core program for the ultra-Orthodox public". which was composed by ultra-Orthodox educators. This trend led us to the situation we are in today where they are not ready to accept the "secular" core program.
You are welcome to publish what I wrote to you if it meets the standards
L. "On the other hand" I'm sorry if I interfere, but as someone who has studied Gemara, I assume that no matter how many times more than you, Gemara does not require knowledge of sweetening enough with this nonsense, try to quote me where knowledge of sweetening is required. A calculation that every child knows like the multiplication table for sweets, except that they also already learn it, if they don't always understand it, they don't bother with it too much and many times it ends In a lack of understanding of the fact that they don't remember how to do it again if you ask them. (It is true that there are some commentators who, in some specific places, really engage in serious calculations at the level of mathematics, but more than 99% do not study them)
"Not true, the only reason is the desire of the rabbis to control their people. They don't want them to know something that will allow them to develop in life - to learn an academic profession and work, so that they can continue to use our tax money on their desks."
I'm sorry but I disagree. The rabbis want to promote their people to a more Torah life that includes mitzvot observance at the highest standards.
In my opinion and I think that's what the rabbis think - it is important to study Hul studies and work, like all the greats of the generations (and also the common Jew), but this should not harm the religious way of life. When there is a conflict between a person's desires, he has to choose. The ultra-Orthodox chose not to harm the religious way of life, whatever the consequences.
I will clarify: the belief has never been refuted. And likewise the experiment on prayer (the ones I know) were in Christianity therefore they have no meaning in the discussion.
A link to the treatment received by the ultra-orthodox position in Nusa Liva
http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000587237
A link to the positions of Eli Yishai, a word from his mouth as if it came from Rabbi Ovadia
In short - there are part-time studies in the ultra-Orthodox community and there is a desire to integrate into work.
http://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3416866,00.html
On the other hand
You claimed that the core plan is, in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox public, a way to harm it and its culture
Not true, the only reason is the rabbis' desire to control their people, they don't want them to know something that will allow them to develop in life - to learn an academic profession and work, so that they can continue to eat our tax money on their table. Throughout the generations, Jews worked and studied civilian professions, and as soon as they began to be confined to yeshiva, their degeneration began. What, after all, will you charge for the fact that whoever translated Euclid into Hebrew did so at the behest of the genius Vilna?
And what exactly do you mean by the ultra-Orthodox method in their belief (which has never been scientifically disproved) they protect the state with the help of learning. ' In all the experiments that were done, it became clear that prayer does not help anything at all. Therefore your claim is unfounded. The issue of the effect of prayer has been scientifically tested and ruled out.
Yaron Yaron,
Why do fools deserve immunity just because they have a streimel??
The protection against ignorance is one of the main functions of the site.
What bothers the people of Torah Judaism that children should know what the sum of the angles in a triangle is? Will it cause them to apostate?
My father, my father - your anti-Semitic racism is driving you crazy and ruining this site!!
I was happy to read your comments
I will try to address the main point
Let's start with the main point of my statement - I argued that the core plan in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox public is a way to hurt them and culturally.
Any curriculum that is not built by the standards of the ultra-Orthodox public will be like this, it goes without saying. The current core curriculum, to which there is opposition, was not built by ultra-Orthodox educators. In the process of building the plan, they did not try to reduce the gap between cultures.
Every person has the freedom, according to the ultra-Orthodox method in their belief (which has never been scientifically disproved) they protect the state with the help of learning. They pray for the peace of IDF soldiers (apart from extreme minorities). Real solutions will be in the style of placing a minimal framework for a core program and that ultra-Orthodox educators will build the main part of the program, and they will not include ignorance and prejudices.
son (who is not the main thing)
I'm sorry the examples I gave were not accurate I just wanted to convey an idea.
Sorry to whoever filtered out his words
One important thing I haven't proven that the core program leans to one side of the cultural map is a provable implicit assumption.
Yaron London said and he was right: 'The ultra-orthodox need to be shrunk', and one hour earlier before it's too late...
When Shas began to grow, its people established their educational network "El Ma'ayan", one of their educational institutions was in the Hatikva neighborhood. In a televised interview, one of their teachers was asked "what will become of these students after they finish their studies". It was broadcast on the news broadcast. From his answer you can learn from them that they don't want to, that they are great in the Torah.
I remember when in the 1980s, following the passing of one of the rebbes of the ultra-Orthodox community, one of the members of the ultra-Orthodox community also said in a television interview that there would be no one to think for them.
The greats of Judaism had a broad general education, the Rambam knew Aristotle's writings. Is this a flaw in something of his Judaism?
The genius from Vilna knew mathematics and was well versed in astronomy. Is this a flaw in something of his Judaism?
The Rebbe of Lubavitz was an electrical engineer. He acquired his engineering education at the Sorbonne. Is this a flaw in something of his Judaism?
Member of Knesset Hershkovitz is both a rabbi and a mathematics professor. Is this a flaw in his Jewishness?
Rabbi Soloveitzik and Rabbi Kook were both well versed in general philosophy. Is this a flaw in his Judaism?
Yeshayahu Leibovitz had seven doctorates. Is this a flaw in something of his Jewishness?"
One of the greatest rabbis in Judaism was Rabbi Saadia Gaon. Most likely he would have been disqualified as a Jew by the ultra-Orthodox communities, since according to their opinion he was required to undergo a conversion according to the law and to the severity
Rabbi Yosef Borg, one of the leaders of the Hempdal, had a Ph.D. Is there a flaw in what he is from his Judaism?
Most likely, when Messiah son of David arrives, he will not be accepted as a Jew.
Every way the thinking of the ultra-Orthodox communities is reminiscent of the dialogue in George Orwell's book "1984". company
The one who denies core studies will end up degenerating.
In the ultra-Orthodox community in New York, upon graduation from the yeshiva, its students go to work with the encouragement of the rabbis.
If we examine the attitude of the students of yeshiva to the students of other yeshiva, it seems that they hate each other more than they hate the seculars.
The members of these communities and their rabbis do not understand something very basic. No religion remains monolithic for long. There will always be those who will ask questions, those who will question the truth of accepted practices and suggest new ways of behaving. It's beyond everyone to understand this, or they don't want to understand it...about 200 years ago there were world wars between the Hasidic movement that then began to develop and those who were not ready to accept them categorically, the opponents, today the Hasidic movement is a current within Judaism.
How was it said by the sages? 70 Faces of the Torah and about a debate between two sages (I don't remember their names)? It was said that such and such are the living words of God. Lots and lots of tolerance and respect towards the people of the Falugta.
During the riots in Beit Shemesh, one of the journalists from Channel 10 and by his clothing they saw that he was Orthodox - a guy with a beard
And a black cap wearer interviewed one of the community leaders and what the interviewee told the journalist. That journalist is not Jewish because he does not observe the mitzvah Shulchan Aruch. How does he know that? The journalist remained speechless.
When a man came to Rabbi Hillel and asked him what to do to convert. Rabbi Hillel's answer was: "Do to your fellow man what is hateful to you, this is a great rule in the Torah." They don't want to know that.
So what do we have here? Taliban with hoods. If their rampage is not stopped, the country, if it remains like this, will be run on
by a junta of Steyrmals.
The way to stop the march of ignorance is one and unequivocal. Any Jew who does not serve in the army, unless prevented from doing so for medical reasons, and any community that does not include the core studies in its educational institutions, will automatically be denied citizenship.
In my opinion, a law should be enacted regarding the members of the Knesset, according to which a person who does not have an academic education will not be elected to the Knesset. It is not to the honor of the Knesset that some of those who come to take part in political life do not have a general education.
On the other hand
A culture that says - "Let others die in the war while I take money that is not mine" is despicable and I want it to disappear from the world, as soon as possible.
Distinguish between the glorious Jewish history and the human filth that is supposed to represent it today.
On the other hand dear,
sorry. You are ultra-Orthodox. Otherwise you would know that Rashi did not know 5 math units of material (because it was only invented in the 17th, 18th centuries, Hedu'a and complex numbers...). Also, you would know that in mathematics you almost never learn who wrote the formula, and that there were no operas in the Middle Ages. 🙂
Let us generalize from Shani's response to the Torah Judaism voters:
A. They are ignorant.
B. They are allowed to lie.
third. They speak smooth things that should sound good to the ears of a cultured person, such as "for a moment we will leave the fixation... (absolute nonsense)".
d. They don't know the ABCs of their own culture:
Euclid's writings were translated into Hebrew at the behest of the Gaon Vilna for reasons of piety. Below is the author's introduction:
"There are those whose way is hidden from all reason and science, therefore it is their heart to despise all wisdom and knowledge that disappears from them, let it be such that it is for the purpose of contempt without shame or fear at all, and also those who call the sages fools and fools and build on them the embankment of the nose and the heat to take advantage of witnesses above them and trample them with the filth of the sexes and heresies so that they will be disgraced and disgraced Pity in the eyes of the masses, as the wise man says, you don't hate science like someone who is naked from it and shows a baby A book runs away from a place, and every computer fool who is wise and teaches half his failure against the true sages..."
"And here, while I was in KC Vilna, the obituary at Rabbi Ha'Maor HaGaon Gadol... the famous Hasid like Moharar Eliya Na'Ru in the month of Tevat 1988, I heard from the mouth of a holy man that just as a person lacks knowledge of the rest of the wisdom, on the other hand, he will lack a hundred hands in the wisdom of the Torah, because The Torah and wisdom stick together... and I was commanded to copy what is possible for our holy tongues from wisdom in order to take the blasphemy out of their mouths and the multitudes will wander And wisdom will increase among our people Israel. And the tongue of the nations will be removed, which when many waters will bear against us.
(And thanks to N.S., Mori and Rabbi (literally))
The truth, I agree with them. The time of the old-fashioned Euclidean geometry is over 😉
How can you put the core studies in line with the popular culture you mentioned (I don't consume it). The core studies are what is called "Derech Eretz" - a minimal and direct orientation in the world. Objection to core studies upholds what the Sages said: Rabbi Yehuda says: Whoever does not teach his son an art, they teach lists.
We will try to understand the other side
(I'm not ultra-Orthodox, but I have a "good eye")
The (Orthodox) public is characterized by a different culture from the culture that Western countries, including Israel, transmit to their citizens.
News, prime time programs, commercials, etc., etc. and also the Holy of Holies core program
From experience I can say that to study Gemara you need basic knowledge of mathematics (series and pi calculation) and to understand Rashi and other memekim you need 5 units.
So why don't ultra-Orthodox students want to learn math??
Maybe, for a moment we will leave the fixation, it is not important who wrote the formula? Maybe we don't have to study the operas of the Middle Ages that have no value content (mainly prostitution and stories at the level of a kindergarten)? What does it matter who was the king of the gods on Olympus?
Perhaps this is important because this is how thinking is shaped... perhaps (not you) a certain trend is not to enrich the ultra-orthodox world but to culturally erase it.
Wouldn't you fight for your culture?
http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2013/01/the-threat-of-euclid.html
another one
What are you surprised by? 🙂 Science studies are considered "Greekness" - and certainly when it comes to a Greek scientist....... Why do you think the ultra-Orthodox are against core studies?
I didn't think they could surprise me.
But they succeeded.
madness Just madness.
I wonder where "they" know Euclid from? It seems that "they" are allowed to know and the sheep from their cheering is not allowed...
And another proof
http://www.jdn.co.il/news/173792
A cross, they appear on the Facebook page of the Beresheet advertising company on a written ultra-Orthodox website that won a tender for Torah Judaism. Note that the official broadcast of Torah Judaism also appears there. I too would think that this is a hoax, or even more than that, a trick by the Or party, because Shiron Yedan warns about these things in every home class day in and day out when he tells about the lesson system of his children in Haider. But no, it's real. They really take pride in the ignorance they impart to their children.
Abby, how do you know these are real ads?
Thanks Frank.
For all the doubters, these are real ads - both this one and the ad on the line for the BKOM
From what I read they work with two advertising agencies. One addresses the ultra-Orthodox society and one the general.
If I'm not mistaken this series is for general society.
http://www.kikarhashabat.co.il/%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A6%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A5-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%90%D7%92%D7%95%D7%93%D7%94-%D7%A4%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%95-%D7%A0%D7%92%D7%93%D7%99.html
That is, it is part of a series that warns the ultra-Orthodox that if they do not vote for Torah Judaism, they will be conscripted and required to study core studies. The Facebook page you sent is of an ultra-Orthodox advertising agency.
Father, you don't really want to "contaminate and desecrate the tender souls of their children" do you? 🙂
(ad number 3)
http://www.pashkevil.co.il/23654/%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%9D-%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A7%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%95-%D7%94%D7%A7%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C%D7%99-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%90-%D7%A9%D7%9C
Father, come on, are you kidding me? You run a site that is all skepticism, and expresses such uncompromising trust? Even if the campaign is consistent with Torah Judaism's statements, it is stupid and embarrassing and it is not certain that Torah Judaism will even choose to use such a campaign. So how can you connect the two?
To be sure that the announcement is real you need *facts* that link this announcement to Torah Judaism. You currently have personal speculation. As a skepticism site administrator, making factual claims based on your personal speculation is not something you are privileged to do.
Since it is consistent with the statements of the people of Torah Judaism about saving the ultra-Orthodox education system (from the core studies), there is no reason to doubt it.
Abi - don't get me wrong - I definitely agree with you that the problem you describe is significant.
There is considerable hypocrisy in the campaign made by computers and printers that denies the study of basic mathematics.
But are you sure this announcement is real? It seems like satire.