The discovery, in which Prof. Zvi Maza from the Department of Astrophysics at Tel Aviv University also participated, proves that systems of planets similar to our solar system can even form around a double sun
A team of American scientists, including an Israeli scientist, Professor Zvi Maza from the School of Physics and Astronomy at Tel Aviv University, will report today (Wednesday) on the discovery of two new planets moving together around a double sun, Kepler-47, which includes two suns moving around each other In a cycle of 7.5 days. One of the planets is in the region where life can exist. The discovery proves that systems of Planets similar to our solar system can form even around a double sun, the discovery is published in the new issue of Science journal.
Professor MZA explains that this discovery now joins the discovery of four previous planets discovered by the spacecraft - Kepler-16, 34, 35, 38 We now already have five double suns around which planets are known. However, this is the first time we have discovered a system of two Planets around a double sun In the new system, two planets move in the same plane, as in our solar system of the discovery lies in the fact that most of the suns (stars) in the universe live in pairs, like humans. And here we discovered that such a double sun can have more than one planet, moving in the same plane.
The discovery is based on precise measurements made by the American spacecraft "Kepler", which was sent to discover new planets around other suns in the universe. The system of the two new planets, Kepler-47, is about 5000 light years away from us in the constellation Cygnus. One of the planets moves around the double sun in cycles of 49 days and the other completes a complete cycle in 303 days. A team of researchers led by Professor Orosz from the University of San Diego in California discovered the planets by examining the measured light intensity of the double sun. The study revealed that the light intensity of the double sun decreases cyclically, a decrease that indicates the existence of the planets moving around it. The discovery is presented today by Professor Welsh (Welsh), also from the University of San Diego, at the main international conference of astronomy held once every four years, this time in Beijing.
Life on the discovered planet could be very interesting. In some of the sunsets, one sun will set first and the hour "between the suns" will begin, and only then will the second sun set and the night will begin.
"Each planet that is discovered is a new world that helps us understand the creation processes of the planets," says Professor Zvi MZA, "especially in an environment so different from the one we know in our solar system, where there is only one sun in the center. We can discover these new worlds only thanks to the advanced instruments installed on the spacecraft that allow us to see into the depths of space."
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Love Alon
I will be happy to help
Yehuda
I don't understand what virtual reality is in science, ideas such as multiple universes or missing dimensions, are ideas that science embraces if they can be refuted. The article on this website, which talked about multiple worlds emphasized this point and in no way talked about multiple mystical worlds.
Regarding openness, everyone is welcome to voice their thoughts, but science deals with claims that can be refuted. For example, science cannot address the question of whether we were created a second ago, with a perfect memory of all our imaginary lives, holes in our socks and bank account. You can ask for openness to this idea, but there is really nothing to do with it.
As I have already written, all the scientific claims made here in praise of Sages or Kabbalah, science does it better. For example, the work that is circular, Sages delayed by about 6000 years, even if Sages Sages They calculated, with beautiful mathematical precision, the cycle of the moon, today we are more precise all the mystical ideas that were brought here, including the multitude of mystical worlds and many religions They were dealt with before (such as the Eastern religions) so here too, there is nothing new, so anyone who wants to receive Kabbalah, at least know these facts.
I really want to learn more and on my own it's very difficult because there are concepts I don't understand
I will learn about the double star you said and get into the videos
If I don't understand something, I'll ask here and I'll be happy if you answer me
thanks, have a good day !
I think that Alon is open-minded,
Trying to transfer information from other sources, ancient and different from science
, since this is a scientific site, then by its very existence it opposes information that differs from the spirit of science and empirical laws.
Maybe this is not the place and the time, but think for a moment that both the scientists and we were once with - 0 IQ
And our IQ grew and grew and learned to recognize physical reality first as it was rationally perceived (classical physics) and then in a way that is not necessarily rational and even uncertain as we saw in this article (according to quantum physics)
This is not new to Judaism (once again maybe not the place and the time, but let's sharpen the point)
The faucets of Judaism (the so-called Kabbalah/Sud/Zohar) in the vernacular, the meaning of the word "world" from the root "the dead"
That is, the disappearance of reality, I won't go into all the reasons and circumstances, but there are different currents in our virtual reality
Apart from science, people with intellectual pluralism will show openness to these currents as well.
A question for Alon? (Whoever laughs at this should just ignore it, the tongue of the elm)
In one of the Torah books it is written: "And Moses struck the rock and water came out of it"
Is it possible that our prophets knew the secrets of the universe due to their spiritual virtue and their proximity to the divine source,
Perform the quantum interweaving and create an unexpected reaction from hitting the rock so that it produces water?
In the same way, it is also possible to perform teleportation and make a prophecy by uniting particles in different time spaces,
After all, it is known that Moshe our Rabb observed all the generations until the coming of the Messiah (don't laugh please!!)
Dear Avi Alon
You gave me your great knowledge in your response and I am happy. Yes, they will multiply.
But beyond that, the knowledge should also be used to develop additional insights.
I too can show that I have some knowledge (maybe not as much as yours) but, in addition, I can show you what I have done with this knowledge.
For example, I read about evolution and creationism and studied the subject (again, maybe not like you), but in addition I wrote articles on the subject that were even published here on the scientist website: "Dissertation in Astronomy". "Evolution of theories", and I even made a film on the subject - "The Research". For example, I studied Newton's gravitation formula (again maybe not like you) but in addition I wrote an article about ADS11635 (familiar?, the double double in the Lira group), which in my humble opinion can be used to prove Newton's gravitation formula for a distance of up to 10,000 astronomical units. Another example?, for example dark mass and energy?, on YouTube I show a video about my opinion on the subject and on the website "Culture Universe" I wrote a story about my opinion on the subject - "The Story of the Dark Hurricane", and maybe there are some other things I created.
So if we tie all of this to the conclusion of your last comment, then it's not a shame that I'm trying to throw off commenters who think and also try to convince that everything is written in the words of our ancestors and we actually have nothing to innovate and it's enough just to study Torah.
So have a good day and continue learning your knowledge!
Good week dear Avi Alon
And others
Sabdarmish Yehuda
Avi,
Hmmm, the Greeks knew the world was round in the 6th millennium BC, which is a bit much much earlier than 1900 years ago. The knowledge of this came from the Greek and Roman world to the Middle East. This is how sages knew. Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
Beyond that, I'm asking for links to citations to see how many back flips need to be made to reach the result that science now predicts. The repetition of the immortal sentence that everything appears in the Torah is nice, but there is also a permit for slavery, to commit horrible acts on women and girls of 12 years old. Indeed, everything appears in the Torah.
Instead of telling what is in the Torah, send a link.
Sabdarmish Yehuda!
I remember you even a year ago
I keep coming in here checking news
Also entered the critical mass blog
To the website of NASA Kepler New Horizons spacecraft Gono Curiosity Voyager, most of them with daily frequency!!
And many more sites that you haven't entered in your life!
I'm not here to prove or anything and I'm very interested in astronomy
And I have never guaranteed a religion on this site! Until this article
But you will learn... you can learn from every person, never rule out an opinion if you haven't examined it carefully, be careful!
Talk about something you don't know negative things about! Advice for life!
I know how many planets discovered so far how many solar systems discovered near and far solar systems
Know all the distances by heart of large objects in the solar system especially planets!
I learned everything by myself, have you ever heard of gliese 710??
What is m45 in the Monsieur catalog?
What is the diameter of all the big planets and moons do you know??
What are the biggest stars do you know??
A galactic star? A quasar? set? Have you heard about the tce3? And about hd10180? And what is its distance and how many planets and what is not confirmed??? on hr8799?? On the Helios? How long did New Horizons take to reach Mars orbit?
Have you heard about the 2006 sq 372?? (I know all this by heart and many other things)
I don't know who you are but I am very interested in astronomy!!!
And it's a shame to throw away people who really connect to it anyway, there's not much here on the site..
Are you still messing with chazel and mustard???
You don't notice that they manage to draw you into a stupid argument that our dumb bastards who made sure to keep us in exile for 2000 years, who would have ripped apart anyone who immigrated to Israel, have always been wise.
Get rid of them and don't get into an argument with them.
I believe this is a method they perform to show that their stupidity is equivalent to science
I'm sorry that people might get confused and decide that they are right. In their method, they answer both as secular and as religious, and we the people of science are in the minority and waste energy in vain.
For example, an argument of a Shmulik arguing with a believing Jew. These two just appeared in the article and may be correlated
They just took over the only scientific site that bothered them. Father, take care of yourself and weed out the impostors, otherwise the site will lose its scientific vitality.
And a pity
good week
Sabdarmish Yehuda
It is already written in the Zohar that the Earth is round and the Zohar came from Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai who lived about 1900 years ago!
that hundreds of thousands visit his grave in Lag Ba'Omer and Move in Bazhur that the earth is round!!
And there are places on earth where there is a lot of time of darkness and there is a lot of time of light (the pole)
There are people above and there are people below (allusion to gravity)
And regarding the eraser for 29.5, the American Gemarani did not reach the same result and Chazal too, I trust Chazal
How did they know that the earth was round almost 2000 years ago????
The names of the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are also mentioned in the Talmud and commentators!
To this day we remember their names!
Rabbi Shmuel, if I'm not mistaken, would say that he knows the space like he knows the way to the house!
The genius from Vilna (1720-1797) was approached by a professor from the University who has students who all got involved
In a certain matter he drew the map in a second and he didn't believe it, he was a Gentile and blessed him with a blessing he heard from a Jew
Everything is written in the Torah!
Avi,
And yet two suns.
Please send a link to the exact quote and if one of them was close, cool. You are implying that the Sages knew that God told them about it and therefore I argued that one error by a Sage, and there are many such, is enough to crush their credibility.
Why didn't Sages give a number with a thousand digits after the period? If God dictates, then dictates. Why didn't they already write the equation itself? And something else: and if we now know more, are more precise and understand more, the role of sages is over, at least in science
.
By the way, I repeat my claim again: I have never heard of Sages as outstanding astronomers. am I wrong?
Aria, thanks for the explanation.
A Jewish believer, on the topic of the voice being beautiful to the perfumes": this is stated in the Tractate of Khemutot 6: "Tanya, Rabbi Natan says, when he is playing he says, tighten well, tighten well, because the voice is beautiful to the perfumes." Brings the perfume grinder to do the crushing job efficiently, meaning it is not that the sound waves per se affect the quality of the perfumes.
Hey !!
With a normal eye we see the Kima cluster (in Taurus) 1.6 brightness we see a roof of 9 stars
In the Tract of Blessings it is said that there are many more stars there and that there are about a hundred special stars there, how did the Sages know?
In the Rosh Hashanah Tract (so" page A) it is said that the new moon takes about 29.53059 days!!
A study by the chief scientist of the US Space Administration announces that it is 29.530588
An insect in Germany reached 29.530589, just tiny!!
The difference between them is of course really minimal, but did the Sages know?
And already Rambam (died more than 800 years ago, doctor of the king of Egypt! Possessed of great wisdom in Torah and medicine) and many other rabbis from the times before the telescope would have studied this.
It is a tradition that has been passed down from generation to generation
I didn't ask you to believe... but for those who disapproved without checking, take a look before you disqualify a certain thing!!
Finding a planet orbiting a pair of suns is not uncommon
We now stand on more than 800 planets 6 in the habitable zone,
The nearest discovered planet is about 14 light years away!!!
A planet in the life zone is gliese d The star is about 20 light years away !!
In a constellation of balances!
It does not work that way.
that I read such a response from someone named Sharon:
"The whole section I wanted to show in the midrash is, if you pay attention (and it's a shame you don't read what I write..), this is the knowledge that even before the days of Genesis (before man even existed) it was known to the Sages that there were 2 suns in our system.."
I'm not ready to let her stand on her own and I'm sorry if the discussion was hijacked in illusory directions, but I will continue to insist, in any discussion where I see claims for the right of admission, to receive evidence.
I am not ready to abandon this arena to unfounded claims and on this topic, as I have already written, I can contribute. Other people can contribute and refine my topics of science, evolution, engineering, etc., as indeed happens (which is wonderful and I read the comments and learn), but when essentially religious claims are made, there is some slackness in the counter-answers, and therefore, when people tell us about the wonders of Kabbalah, without Receipts, I'll be there to respond.
Shmulik ,
Cohen is right,
These are discussions that can go on forever
Is there no other channel to comment on?
No, it was before King Solomon that there is no external proof of its existence. If we follow the link I attached then it seems that the Buddhist scriptures date to the fourth millennium BC while King Solomon (if he existed) dates to the millennium BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jataka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon
So if anything, Kabbalah drew these principles from other sources.
Moreover, as I wrote, even if the Kabbalah is the first to describe the multiplicity of worlds, it is then:
1. Science has gone much further and if we receive evidence (somehow) for what is described in the link about the multiplicity of worlds, then there is no longer any room for acceptance because, as mentioned, it can no longer innovate anything
2. The Kabbalah, which attributes to itself a divine spark, must not make a mistake even in pips and therefore, if there is even one mistake, it loses its validity. She claims two parallel universes and nothing else (according to what you wrote) and this contradicts what was described in the article.
Yehuda,
Are you right about the discussions deviating from the topic, perhaps to censor discussions that do not correspond to the topic?
I actually support the establishment of a separate channel for the science-religion debate. The truth is, if articles dealing with religion are published here - such as the article on the number of people who believe in God, how can you expect there to be no comments dealing with religion?
If it really disturbs your peace, or the "scientific truth" so much, either we don't discuss religion at all, or we transfer all these discussions to a channel dedicated to this, where the "scientists" and the "religious" can confront each other...
It seems to me that we are boring people with this post, because no one responds back 🙂
Shmulik, good morning
From your reference to the subject of multiple worlds, has it been proven that parallel universes already exist? Or do you assume the existence of multiple worlds?
When I brought my reference to the multiplicity of worlds according to Kabbalah, it was done according to your request to meet the challenge and bring a great discovery from Kabbalah that has not yet been discovered and to the best of my knowledge parallel universes have not yet been discovered or scientifically proven.
But thanks for the links, it's a really interesting article and it's indeed surprising that there are such theories and I didn't know about them,
Nevertheless, according to the link you sent, this is still speculation and I am talking about a scientific discovery that will be proven soon.
Regarding other schools of thought such as Buddhism, Islam, etc., it is known that during King Solomon's time
Peace reigned in the land and many gentiles learned from his wisdom, I believe that even long before this wisdom leaked to the Greeks and other peoples, but I am not interested at the moment, as a Jew I am obligated to the tradition of my ancestors and so I will be.
https://www.hayadan.org.il/parallel-universes-130812/
From the article:
"In infinite space, even the events that are most unlikely must occur somewhere. The number of inhabited planets is infinite, and among them there is not just one, but an infinite number of planets where an inhabitant looks like you, bears your name and remembers your memories, inhabitants who fulfill every possible combination during their lives of the choices that stood before you during your life."
I mean, physics has gone much further. If the Kabbalah is supposed to describe something absolute that has a divine spark in it, then the Kabbalah is not entitled to false assumption. She absolutely has to be right. Kinda doesn't catch here since otherwise, what is their closeness to God worth?
Beyond that, even before Kabbalah, the multiplicity of worlds was thrown out in Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, so sorry no, I'm not excited by yet another claim of the multiplicity of worlds. No exclusivity is accepted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(religion)#Buddhism
Shmulik,
If this forecast does not satisfy you
I will go further and take a risk on a scientific prediction that appears in the theory of Kabbalah and science has not yet discovered it:
According to Kabbalah, in the creation of the world, upper worlds and lower worlds were created, therefore there is a parallel world to our world, and everything created is created in pairs, male - female, right - left, upper - lower, etc.
That is why I predict the discovery of worlds parallel to our world and, among other things, the existence of a world identical to our world including people identical to us, as it is written that every person in the lower world has a spiritual root in an upper world.
I hope we get to witness this discovery in our day 🙂
There is no proof that silence is good for wine, especially if you are trying to hire an Iranian to tell you about the miners they are building. Did you mean that wine production should be quiet? Tell this while you are stepping on grapes in Geth. Tell them not to talk.
There is no proof that a voice is good for perfumes, nor was it explained what kind of voice it is? Is it a human voice, any human voice? Only men, is a woman's voice a good perfume... Still, it does have a slightly marginal issue. Maybe it's important for the company in Grasse (where perfumes are produced) but other than that, not really important, so it seems to me that my challenge is still standing.
Shmulik,
From your point of view, this is the combination of Gemara and Kabbalah, because Kabbalah is the secret of the simplification of our holy Torah, therefore it is required to be reliable, like any other biblical document or book.
- I don't know who was the first to claim this, if there is an ancient document that talks about this topic, I would love to hear it.
- It is not trivial to underestimate the quality of the forecast I brought,
Because just as the voice is good for perfumes and silence is good for wine, why should perfumes have a good effect and wine have a bad effect and vice versa,
Silence is good for wine and bad for perfumes?
- If the prediction is wrong, I will indeed not believe it,
All that remains is to wait patiently..
To the believing Jew,
It is not clear to me if this answer of yours is serious, but I will assume for a second that it is
1. I was not talking about the Gemara but about the Kabbalah. Wasn't that clear from my post? By the way, if I am wrong and the Gemara is the Kabbalah, the forgiveness is with you
2. Let's say they will discover that the sound momentarily affects the quality of the perfume.
A. Does the Gemara alone claim this? Was she the first to claim this?
on. What is so special about this discovery? After all, sound is air pressure and who knows, it may well be that air pressure affects the liquid, why not? And if you meant a human voice, then still, what's so special about that? But if so, and indeed you met the challenge, except that it carries all my margin and I was hoping for something a little more Jory.
third. The main point: if it turns out that the voice has a negative effect on the perfume, will you stop being a believing Jew?
Shmulik,
As a believing Jew, I accept your challenge
Based on the quote: "The voice is beautiful for perfumes" as written in the Gemara, I don't remember which tractate.
I claim that very soon they will discover that the sound has a positive effect on the quality of the perfume
Grace,
I recognize something else: the scientific claims that are always presented in the name of Kabbalah, always come after scientific discoveries and never before (this is strange, the Kabbalists claim that everything is written there, so why are they not at the head of the scientific camp?). Somehow the parallel manages to remain relevant" when science makes some claim, such as the universe slowing down, even after science, in light of new evidence, contradicts its previous claim and states that the universe is speeding up.
This is of course evidence of the weakness of Kabbalah. A Torah that always proves something and also reverses it at the same time, explains only in hindsight and only ever just aligns a line worth nothing (on the scientific level).
By the way, I expect a response along the lines of: science asserted X and now it asserts Y, therefore science is worth nothing. So no, it would be demagoguery because the correct claim is (for example) Newtonian mechanics claims X, while quantum mechanics claims Y and therefore Newtonian mechanics is irrelevant (exaggerated, of course). If there is no such response, then I have created a straw man for me to play with and I apologize to you
In light of all of the above, I once posed a challenge to one of the Kabbalists: I want someone who knows Kabbalah to give a scientific prediction for the coming years. For example, what is the opinion of Kabbalah theory about string theory (correct, incorrect)? What is the opinion of the Kabbalah theory about dark matter and dark energy (exist, not exist), that is, a prediction that can be disproved?
Beyond that, in order for it to be even possible to refer to the receipt, I am asking for evidence of its correctness, even if it has no interesting novelty at this stage. It shouldn't be that complicated, for someone who claims to have such evidence.
Sharon,
one small question,
After all, from the books of the Sages, the Kabbalah, the Zohar, etc... it is not really possible to derive any scientific value that will help us in this period (at least the reality indicates this, since no technological/scientific progress resulted from these books).
So what does this give me that all the secrets of the universe lie in the Book of Zohar, which in the last hundreds of years (and certainly not in our time), no one manages to extract any scientific value from it (does not enter into moral pan).
From a scientific point of view, this book has no value for me.
Do you not agree with that?
Or are you waiting for that day when we will have the wisdom to extract information from it?
Sharon,
At the time of the Sages, astronomy was already much more developed than calling the sun and the moon two suns, so I don't understand the enthusiasm. As far as I know, we Jews have never been known as particularly successful astronomers, especially compared to the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Mayans, etc.
Beyond that, of course I want evidence that is backed up by evidence
Please how do you want it to be with spiderman pictures? Or is Batman better? Maybe both? Well, let's see what he will decide on a night of rest
Do yourself a favor, write him an email and ask him to deal specifically with those impersonating you retroactively. I'm busy with a million other things.
Avi Blizovsky
Henny agrees with Yehuda Sabdarmish's call.
https://www.hayadan.org.il/2-plantes-orbiting-double-star-290812/comment-page-1/#comment-358377
Your site has turned into a comic magazine in the last month.
(It's a shame that M.R. no longer visits the site, because then he would have put things in order here. And perhaps also identify and block the IP of the impersonating trolls.)
Thanks.
Shmulik,
It is clear that our system as we know it today does not have 2 suns, but what surprised me about the Sages is that despite this, it would not have seemed strange to them to hypothesize that there are 2 suns in one system, and perhaps this was also the case in our system in the remedy of its formation (if it Was it in our system or not, I have no idea, and maybe someone here will wait for us in this...)
Maybe I didn't write it correctly, but the Sages were before the creation of the world, but they were talking about this period of the creation of the world that is even before the way it is known to us today (today, meaning from the time of man).
Regarding the second question, if there is proof, I will tell you here that it is, but it is clearly not satisfactory because now it will require me to do my homework and collect a lot of material, which requires some time...if it is really critical, then tell me (but I don't think I will be able to the next ones..)
and my father,
I really appreciate your ability to accommodate even opinions that I guess don't always coincide with yours...
I stand by my opinion,
We have here a religious attack on everything innovative and scientific. I suggest to my father to move all my religion-science debates to a parallel debate system. Whoever wants to go there. I do not give an equal right to debates with people with stupid opinions, and if someone is actually in love with them, go there or to other sites.
Sorry, but, I can find proof of the existence of two suns not only in you, but also in Red Riding Hood or the Wizard of Oz. It is enough for us to play a little with geometry with suitable jumps and we will get everything we want, two suns or twenty suns, etc.
You notice that once again the "religionists" succeed in diverting us from the scientific debate!
Good Day
Sabdarmish Yehuda
Sharon,
According to your last comment I'm not so sure you lost the ability to levitate...
But before I explain why, let me take a moment to respond to Judah before he labels me "religious" and bans me from the discussions...
Yehuda,
I really respect your comments in the discussions here, but this time you surprised me with this comment...
What you are proposing is actually a revolution, and revolutions everyone knows where they begin but no one knows where they end... the people who started the revolutions in France, in the end found their heads in the guillotine...
You are actually suggesting to silence comments that we do not like (or in your eyes) and that are not on the same scale as our views...
How exactly do we decide what can be published and what can't? Who has the authority to silence the fairies here?
Why should we stop at "religious"? Let's also snub those who support alternative medicine, ghosts or extraterrestrials, ghosts, conspiracy theories, parallel worlds, right-wing voters, and supporters of the bomb in Iran, etc...
I've been present to quite a few debates here where people have accused you of having "opinions incompatible with scientific discussion". I remember your debates with Michael and your parable about the creatures who rightly claim that God is not suitable for life... after all, this is exactly the same phenomenon of silencing mouths that you support in the last response!
I was also present here for Avi Blizovsky's debates, where he is accused of supporting conspiracy theories of climate change denial...
I suggest to everyone from all sides not to get emotionally carried away here, and to try to adopt democratic principles of freedom of speech and freedom of belief, because scientific investigation is not possible without these freedoms...
Sharon,
I ask because you wrote:
The whole section I wanted to show in the midrash is, if you pay attention (and it's a shame you don't read what I write..), this is the knowledge that even before the days of Genesis (before man even existed) it was known to the Sages that there were 2 suns in our system..
That is, according to your words, before there was even a person, it was known to the sages that there were 2 suns (when the sages were wrong, there are not 2 suns) so what? Sages are not human?
Beyond that, regarding all the issues you mentioned: worlds, remote communication with the help of human powers (whatever that means, I assume you don't mean shouting or facial recognition), etc., is there any evidence that supports the words of the Kabbalah?
Father, a few things,
Regarding other quotes, it is clear that you can bring dozens and even hundreds of quotes and more, but here I brought a small quote that was related to the matter..
Regarding Ockham's razor, etc., then it is true that we interpret what is said according to the context of our time, but this is precisely the point, that as we progress we understand more the articles that were obscure and incomprehensible to us and we had to give them sometimes complicated interpretations and as we progress the interpretations become simple More and closer to Pesht himself..
From all of this I come to the first point you raised, was the knowledge of the world among the sages then like our knowledge today? I have no idea how they saw things, the only fact is what they left written and what is written is astonishing... (and by the way, this is exactly what I wrote in the first post here...)
And in addition, in my opinion (and really on the edge of the fork), the development of science and technology in the last few hundred years is a fulfillment of the needs of man and the world that existed in the ancient world (not necessarily Jewish) in other forms and usually possessed these abilities only individuals, and these powers gradually disappeared with the decline of the abilities of Man, as well as entire teachings that have disappeared over the years.
For example, abilities of seeing (spiritually) far away, communication (telepathic or otherwise) between people (such as the communication between Job and his friends), in general the whole subject of meditation, creation by sorcerers (like the Khartoums in Egypt), leaps and bounds, asceticism (astrology ) to the special martial arts and much more that everything we know today from the ancient world turns out to be nothing in regards to the real abilities that people once had..
What I really want to say is that if there was once, for example, the ability to communicate at a distance with the help of one's own strength, after we lost (for some reason) this ability, we supplement it with the help of the technological development of communication and so on with all the other things (the ability to move quickly, the ability to hover, etc.) ).
And so, based on this understanding, the attitude towards ancient writings should definitely be different and it is no longer so certain whether the primitives are in the ancient world or whether we are actually the ones who are trying to fill gaps...
for everyone
The method of the religious talkists is to take control of the debate and turn it instead of a scientific debate into a debate that shows the greatness of the Hazal religion, etc. In most of your typos, you follow exactly what they want. I suggest to my father to organize a system where all the religious comments will be sent, whoever wants to can look at them for two or three days until they are sent from there as well.
And in the meantime let's ignore them and not follow them. The debate here is about a star system that is 1500 light years away and has two suns. And the religious commentators cause the debate to be diverted to Hasel who said that there are two suns here. This is not the subject of the article! This is the method that makes us talk about what they want.
Again, let's ignore!
And my father, take my offer seriously.
Good Day
Sabdarmish Yehuda
Sharon,
I will explain to you what the problem is here: you expect us to treat the information that appears in religious writings as equivalent or at least complementary to contemporary scientific information. With all due respect to tradition, and religion (and unlike some people here, I have respect for these issues) you want us to accept the fact that people 2000 years ago had the ability to draw conclusions about nature, when we have only recently been able to reach these facts, as a result of the gradual development of science over 400 About a year…
If we refer to Ockham's Razor, which states that simple explanations or theories are more plausible than sophisticated theories, then it is more likely that you or others are simply interpreting things written 2000 years ago according to the context of our time, and not that these things really speak of contemporary information. Let's add to this the fact that the things written are quite vague and unclear, and the fact that people always point to them after science discovered them, and not before as a new fact to science...
Now, allow me to change my hat and move to your side... If I were you, I would bring the following quotes from the Kabbalah: "The whole world rolls in a circle like a ball, those above, and those below, and all these creatures are changed in their appearance from the change of the air, like every place and place, and stand in their place like the rest of humans, and for that there is a place in the world when it is light for some, dark for others, day for some, and night for others, and there is a place that is all day and no night is found in it, except for one hour small, and what is written in the ancient books, and in the book of the first Adam, so it is..."
And that section in which it is told about small creatures that have no nostrils whose world is illuminated by a red sun, as well as creatures from the world of "Zia" whose world encompasses two suns...
Which is much more impressive, but still…
The period of the Sages is a long period of several hundred years, from the days of the Second Temple to several hundred years after the exodus.
In Wikipedia it is summarized in a short and striking way (about Chazal):
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%97%D7%96%22%D7%9C
During the Tanaim period (until the end of the 2nd century) the Mishnah was written (Rabbi Yehuda Hanasi signed the Mishnah) and during the Amroim period (until the end of the 5th century) after which the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud was written (what is today called the Gemara) which is an expansion on the Mishnah. At the same time, Halachic midrashi (during the Mishna period) and Agada midrashi (during the Gemara period) were also written.
By the way, the Zohar and the secret world also went through a parallel path, when R. Shimon bar Yochai is from the period of the Tanaim, and there are discussions about when the entire Zohar was written as we know it today, whether already in that period or also after it during the period of the Amoraim.
The Mishnah and the Gemara are the halachic world accessible to everyone, and the Zohar is the secret world that was kept at that time only for individuals, while the world of the Midrashim was indeed accessible to everyone, but it is written in the form of codes and associations and parables that not everyone could get to the bottom of even if they understood the simple story.
By the way, even in the Gemara, many Agada sermons are cited in the course of the things there because in the end these are the same people who studied and practiced both this and that.
The Midrash does not pretend to teach the structure of the worlds and all these secrets as in the world of Kabbalah, but rather it is more concerned with conceptual and moral learning, but as I have already said, these are the same people who dealt with these things and in any case there are influences between the world of halacha, the legend and the secret, and it turns out that in the Midrash many times you find whole sections on the structure The world and the stars and more.
All this was an introduction just to try to answer your question...
The Midrash I brought above is given in the name of R. Shimon ben Pazi who was a second generation Amroim (3rd century area)
But note that everything that is said in the midrash is about the time of the creation of the world even before the creation of man at all, because when man was created he already saw the sun and the moon and the whole world more or less as we know it today,
After all, the lights were created on the fourth day and man at the end of the sixth day when everything was already ready...
(And before all kinds of clever comments jump in here, then I will probably add that every day of the days of creation is not a time of day as humans know it, because humans were not yet....)
I already wrote that I need to proofread better for myself, so again:
Sharon, at what time did the sages know that there were 2 suns in our system (one of which, as mentioned, is not a sun but only reflects light)?
Sharon, at what time did the sages know that there were 2 suns in our system (one of which, as mentioned, is not a sun but holds light)?
Itzik, some clarifications.
First of all, the quote is not from the Torah but from a midrash of Sages who quote from the Torah.
Secondly, I did not understand what you wanted to say in what you wrote, the knowledge that the moon receives its light from the sun as you wrote was already known since the days of Genesis, this is not the section of the midrash at all...
The whole section I wanted to show in the midrash is, if you pay attention (and it's a shame you don't read what I write..), this is the knowledge that even before the days of Genesis (before man even existed) it was known to the Sages that there were 2 suns in our system..
And the most important thing (and a bit strange) is that you start with a sentence - why reach a low level on the site here?
And you yourself end up using a low expression of brain drains from the 18th century era..
So if at a low level you mean slander - you should check yourself...
And if at a low level you mean quotes from ancient literature, then how come you can't even understand the quote I bring and write unrelated things about it, could it be that because the level is low you can't understand it?
Spelling error correction:
It doesn't mean peak no - peak = she is
Why do you reach a low level on the science website you are discussing?
Second thing regarding the quote from the Torah …..hmmmm…please be precise in the data and passages….
It is true that we say "Maorut" but it is about the small maor and the big maor...
And since since the days of Genesis man has evolved and reached an important discovery …..!!!!…. The sun shines all the time, the moon only gets to reflect a small part of the sun's light, the fact that we don't see the sunlight at night does not mean that Shia does not shine at night either...
Wow mate, he really eliminated brain drains from the 1888 era. Move on and please grow up.
Sorry, but what about the planets? Are they gas or rocky giants? It says that one of them is in the living area, is there any more data about it? Like if it has an atmosphere?
In my humble opinion, the interesting story here is "a star in the sitting area"...
Anyway, what's up with the Kepler space telescope? At what point in the mission is he currently, and what are the plans for the future?
I would be happy if there would be an article about Kepler at some point, a sort of interim summary of the task...
Saar Your use of the words billion trillion and billion to inflate a balloon with holes only shows ignorance in the literature of the Chazalites.
Even in the simplicity of the simplicity in the Kabbalah books (and even in the midrashim, if you understand the differences a bit) they already talk about the numbers and these worlds that exist and parallel worlds in different dimensions, not to mention the types of beings that exist in these dimensions and much more.
It's funny that the more ignorant a person is, the more stupid they think everyone around them is...
You're just kidding yourself!
But to your credit, someone finally managed to make me laugh. Bless you!
To all the clowns...who are in a hurry to quote from the Bible...Sages...and more……..
The fact that 2 suns were discovered and here it is....it is written in the Bible....
Hello
There are another trillion even suns in the universe above…..
And another billion triple suns... (3 suns that are next to each other)
And another trillion individual suns…. And this is only in the space closest to us……. So the number is much bigger!!!!!!!!!
Around each sun or several such suns... There are planets that are attracted to them because of gravity….
Some of the planets that are near the suns - are at the right distance which means - not too hot... and not too icy... and there is a possibility of the invention of additional life.
In short… there are another billion+ million suns in space around the earth….. and only a hollow and stupid egoistic thought would think that only humans live here in the infinite universe….. alone…
The problem is that everything is so far away…… and it's hard to reach or see anything…….
It is also written in the Bible ???????????????
You found a few words about a pair of dens.... Come on... There are billions more suns wake up!!!!
And beautiful one hour earlier
Most of the planets in the solar system also move more or less in the same plane, but not in the same orbit.
What does it mean that two planets move in the same plane?
1) On the same track one after the other?
2) on the same plane but not on the same track so there is a possibility
that the stars will collide?
Regarding a pair of windshields in one system:
There is a midrash in the sages that asks - how is it that it is written on the one hand "And God made the two great lights" and immediately after that "the great light and the small light", does this seem like a contradiction in the verses?
And to this they answer - that in the beginning 2 suns were created, and then came a moon (in the Sages the moon is in the feminine since it today receives the light from the sun) before God with the claim - that it is possible for two kings to use one crown? God replied to her - go and humble yourself!
And of course the midrash there continues to try to understand what this minority means, etc., etc.
In any case, it is simply amazing to see how this knowledge (and in our case, a pair of suns) already existed in such ancient times.
Tzachi, you don't see enough of the Mediterranean Sea because a double sun is a common thing in the Mediterranean Sea
One star with two suns, I haven't heard about it yet
It seems to me that the nomenclature should be corrected:
Double sun = pair of suns
Kepler spacecraft = Kepler space telescope
Good Day
Sabdarmish Yehuda
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Stunning !
And two minor technical notes:
1. There is a mistake in the title "...for the first time for the first time..."
2. I tried to share on Facebook and the "Preview" has encoding problems... too bad.
It is very interesting how the book of Genesis is written
And God created the two lights the great light and the greater light to shine twice as much during the day and between the evenings only from one light